Trevor Bauer on Monday wins in court, he wins on the field why

[Wattage]

He was suspended without pay for 2 seasons.
That is actual loss.
He can also make the claim that he was blackballed from gainful employment after the suspension ended.
And all without cause.

In all states - including 'right to work" states - there are minimum cause thresholds which must be met, and which protect the rights of employees.

I do not pretend to know every aspect of Bauer's behaviors.
Nor am I in any way endorsing his character.
But, there is no question he has strong cause to sue MLB.

100% agree w/ the quoted material.

If you truly believe there was no collusion keeping Bauer out of MLB then you are delusional.

Correct.
He was 8-5 with a 2.59 ERA in 17 starts and led the league in innings and strikeouts the day he was suspended.
After released by the Dodgers, he was forced to look for work in other nations.
In Yokohama Japan in 2023, he went 10-4, with a 2.76 ERA and recorded 130 K's in 130 innings.
in the Mexican League in 2024, he went 10-0, with a 2.48 ERA and recorded 120 K's in 83 innings.
Those results would normally produce a long line of teams offering a contract.
In 2023 and 2024 and 2025 he applied for MLB pitching jobs - and was denied 90 out of 90 times from the opportunity for employment.
He has a very, very strong case against MLB.

and when has MLB lost a collusin case, or any other big-league sport?

The mlb numbers ymfrom that ywar- yes. Those numbers in japan and mexican league- umm no. Theres plenty of pitchers who have had those numbers in japan and not had long list of teams wanting to offer contract. And when have we seen anyone getting contracts from mexican league? Robinson Cano at age 42 is one of the best hitters in that league despite having a .373 ops in mlb at age 39 3 years ago.

Bauer is almost exactly the same age now as Sonny Gray was when he signed his 3 yr 75M dollar contract with the Cardinals.
Prime age for an MLB starter.
Not 42, as Cano is.
Zero question an open market would highly value him right now - but that market has been arbitrarily closed by MLB.
As I recall, Bauer has offered to play for the minimum.
Not one offer.
He has a very compelling case.

We heard someone ask bauer if he would consider playing for league minimum and he said yes hed consider it Thats very different than him actually officially agreeing to it. With the court battles and countersueing he may have went back on that thought.

We dont know what conversations hes had with mlb teams. It was reported in june 2024 that the astros actually witnessed him throw a bullpen session so they were at least agreeing to see him although it never resulted in a contract

So there is agreement on the point under discussion.
Bauer has indicated he would pitch for the minimum, and over the past 2 seasons 60 out of 60 teams have chosen to not even offer that.

No he was asked a question in an interview and said hed co sider that- because saying youd co sider is technialy not a lie and it looks better pr to make a statement like that.

We dont k kw what discussions took place vetween hom and teams. We k ow the astros agreed to watch him throw a bullpen session cuz that was reported on and he talked to them- we dont know if he and his agent then demanded more than league min or nkt

I highly doubt he actually would have accepted a league mi imum offer but cant say for sure.

But i can say for sure its not a factual statement that any team could have signed him for leaghe minimum and only an opinion. One that i think is misguided from an offhanded comment of saying hed consider instead of making what would have been another braindead pr move by saying no to that question in that interview

[Ozziesfan41]

Bauer was 17-9 in 2017
Bauer had a 2.21 ERA in 2018
Bauer won the Cy Young in 2020
Bauer had a 2.71 ERA in 2021, before that disgusting woman ruined his life.

Anyone pretending that he wasn't good, wasn't in a dominant period of his career... or that denies he was financially damaged to the tune of well over $100 million, if not $200 million, is so blatantly biased and stupid that they should never be taken seriously again.

He's white that's why he didn't get another chance ....however many others have beat their girlfriend or wife...shot at a gun at them etc...and was playing again...facts suck

lol if u think that’s the reason he’s not playing you aren’t too bright

He’s a bad actor.

Toxic, as Melville would say.

His personality may very well be.
But he was wronged by MLB.

He wasn't wronged. He likes choking women. Then he uses his wealth to win in court.

Law enforcement agencies investigated and declined to prosecute for even a single charge - not even a misdemeanor.
How did Bauer "use his wealth" to "win in court" when there was never a charge?
The only fact established is that his accuser lied repeatedly.
Again, I am not advocating for or against Bauer.
Don't know him.
Not relevant.
MLB rushed to judgement - and could very well face a judgement of their own as a result.

lol No they won’t. They operated within their policy policy that he signed when he played

[Melville]

Bauer was 17-9 in 2017
Bauer had a 2.21 ERA in 2018
Bauer won the Cy Young in 2020
Bauer had a 2.71 ERA in 2021, before that disgusting woman ruined his life.

Anyone pretending that he wasn't good, wasn't in a dominant period of his career... or that denies he was financially damaged to the tune of well over $100 million, if not $200 million, is so blatantly biased and stupid that they should never be taken seriously again.

He's white that's why he didn't get another chance ....however many others have beat their girlfriend or wife...shot at a gun at them etc...and was playing again...facts suck

lol if u think that’s the reason he’s not playing you aren’t too bright

He’s a bad actor.

Toxic, as Melville would say.

His personality may very well be.
But he was wronged by MLB.

He wasn't wronged. He likes choking women. Then he uses his wealth to win in court.

Law enforcement agencies investigated and declined to prosecute for even a single charge - not even a misdemeanor.
How did Bauer "use his wealth" to "win in court" when there was never a charge?
The only fact established is that his accuser lied repeatedly.
Again, I am not advocating for or against Bauer.
Don't know him.
Not relevant.
MLB rushed to judgement - and could very well face a judgement of their own as a result.

lol No they won’t. They operated within their policy policy that he signed when he played

Again, as should be obvious, an organization's "policy" does not trump the law.
Further, being banned and ostracized by that organization, it logically follows he is not subject to its "policies".
Also worth noting, he has been fully vindicated of the accusations and therefore there is no proof the "policy" concerning domestic abuse was ever violated to begin with.
Zero question that should he choose to sue, his case would be overwhelming and compelling.
You may be 100% confident that MLB's own lawyers have advised accordingly.
I suspect there are already communications - not in writing, of course - giving tacit approval to any team which may have interest.
A league minimum contract to give Bauer opportunity to prove - or disprove - his pitching ability right now would doubtless be far more attractive to MLB than a lawsuit.
It would be interesting to know which Bauer would prefer - an opportunity, or a settlement?

[Ozziesfan41]

Bauer was 17-9 in 2017
Bauer had a 2.21 ERA in 2018
Bauer won the Cy Young in 2020
Bauer had a 2.71 ERA in 2021, before that disgusting woman ruined his life.

Anyone pretending that he wasn't good, wasn't in a dominant period of his career... or that denies he was financially damaged to the tune of well over $100 million, if not $200 million, is so blatantly biased and stupid that they should never be taken seriously again.

He's white that's why he didn't get another chance ....however many others have beat their girlfriend or wife...shot at a gun at them etc...and was playing again...facts suck

lol if u think that’s the reason he’s not playing you aren’t too bright

He’s a bad actor.

Toxic, as Melville would say.

His personality may very well be.
But he was wronged by MLB.

He wasn't wronged. He likes choking women. Then he uses his wealth to win in court.

Law enforcement agencies investigated and declined to prosecute for even a single charge - not even a misdemeanor.
How did Bauer "use his wealth" to "win in court" when there was never a charge?
The only fact established is that his accuser lied repeatedly.
Again, I am not advocating for or against Bauer.
Don't know him.
Not relevant.
MLB rushed to judgement - and could very well face a judgement of their own as a result.

lol No they won’t. They operated within their policy policy that he signed when he played

Again, as should be obvious, an organization's "policy" does not trump the law.
Further, being banned and ostracized by that organization, it logically follows he is not subject to its "policies".
Also worth noting, he has been fully vindicated of the accusations and therefore there is no proof the "policy" concerning domestic abuse was ever violated to begin with.
Zero question that should he choose to sue, his case would be overwhelming and compelling.
You may be 100% confident that MLB's own lawyers have advised accordingly.
I suspect there are already communications - not in writing, of course - giving tacit approval to any team which may have interest.
A league minimum contract to give Bauer opportunity to prove - or disprove - his pitching ability right now would doubtless be far more attractive to MLB than a lawsuit.
It would be interesting to know which Bauer would prefer - an opportunity, or a settlement?

lol what player has baseball waited until they were tried and convicted to suspend? None. Law has zero to do with the domestic violence policy the policy that he signed they operated within their policy zero case. But you can stick with being wrong that’s all you do. Bonds had a much better argument for collusion and he still lost

[Absolut]

Bauer was 17-9 in 2017
Bauer had a 2.21 ERA in 2018
Bauer won the Cy Young in 2020
Bauer had a 2.71 ERA in 2021, before that disgusting woman ruined his life.

Anyone pretending that he wasn't good, wasn't in a dominant period of his career... or that denies he was financially damaged to the tune of well over $100 million, if not $200 million, is so blatantly biased and stupid that they should never be taken seriously again.

He's white that's why he didn't get another chance ....however many others have beat their girlfriend or wife...shot at a gun at them etc...and was playing again...facts suck

lol if u think that’s the reason he’s not playing you aren’t too bright

He’s a bad actor.

Toxic, as Melville would say.

His personality may very well be.
But he was wronged by MLB.

He wasn't wronged. He likes choking women. Then he uses his wealth to win in court.

Law enforcement agencies investigated and declined to prosecute for even a single charge - not even a misdemeanor.
How did Bauer "use his wealth" to "win in court" when there was never a charge?
The only fact established is that his accuser lied repeatedly.
Again, I am not advocating for or against Bauer.
Don't know him.
Not relevant.
MLB rushed to judgement - and could very well face a judgement of their own as a result.

lol No they won’t. They operated within their policy policy that he signed when he played

Again, as should be obvious, an organization's "policy" does not trump the law.
Further, being banned and ostracized by that organization, it logically follows he is not subject to its "policies".
Also worth noting, he has been fully vindicated of the accusations and therefore there is no proof the "policy" concerning domestic abuse was ever violated to begin with.
Zero question that should he choose to sue, his case would be overwhelming and compelling.
You may be 100% confident that MLB's own lawyers have advised accordingly.
I suspect there are already communications - not in writing, of course - giving tacit approval to any team which may have interest.
A league minimum contract to give Bauer opportunity to prove - or disprove - his pitching ability right now would doubtless be far more attractive to MLB than a lawsuit.
It would be interesting to know which Bauer would prefer - an opportunity, or a settlement?

lol what player has baseball waited until they were tried and convicted to suspend? None. Law has zero to do with the domestic violence policy the policy that he signed they operated within their policy zero case. But you can stick with being wrong that’s all you do. Bonds had a much better argument for collusion and he still lost

You know. Those Chicago black Sox who were acquitted and banned. Wait. Bad example.

Pete rose. Banned for life. Oh wait.

[3dender]

Bauer is almost exactly the same age now as Sonny Gray was when he signed his 3 yr 75M dollar contract with the Cardinals.
Prime age for an MLB starter.
Not 42, as Cano is.
Zero question an open market would highly value him right now - but that market has been arbitrarily closed by MLB.
As I recall, Bauer has offered to play for the minimum.
Not one offer.
He has a very compelling case.

The point is that the numbers you cited from Bauer in the Mexican League were from the same year that 41yo Robinson Cano had a 1.100 OPS... he had the 2nd highest OPS in the league that year. 33yo Yasiel Puig was #8 with a 1.020 OPS.

To anyone with common sense that makes Bauer's numbers really unimpressive. And he wasn't even the best pitcher in the league (he was #8 by ERA, #4 by WHIP and #3 by K/BB). He was not as good as 35yo career Mexican Leaguer David Reyes.

But keep telling us about how effective he'd be in the majors

May be helpful for me to point out I have not posted a single word about how he would perform in MLB today.
I advise you to focus on the actual matter under discussion.

Look at the thread title Jake... if he doesn't win on the field anymore the entire premise under discussion is false.

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He was suspended without pay for 2 seasons.
That is actual loss.
He can also make the claim that he was blackballed from gainful employment after the suspension ended.
And all without cause.

In all states - including 'right to work" states - there are minimum cause thresholds which must be met, and which protect the rights of employees.

I do not pretend to know every aspect of Bauer's behaviors.
Nor am I in any way endorsing his character.
But, there is no question he has strong cause to sue MLB.

100% agree w/ the quoted material.

If you truly believe there was no collusion keeping Bauer out of MLB then you are delusional.

Correct.
He was 8-5 with a 2.59 ERA in 17 starts and led the league in innings and strikeouts the day he was suspended.
After released by the Dodgers, he was forced to look for work in other nations.
In Yokohama Japan in 2023, he went 10-4, with a 2.76 ERA and recorded 130 K's in 130 innings.
in the Mexican League in 2024, he went 10-0, with a 2.48 ERA and recorded 120 K's in 83 innings.
Those results would normally produce a long line of teams offering a contract.
In 2023 and 2024 and 2025 he applied for MLB pitching jobs - and was denied 90 out of 90 times from the opportunity for employment.
He has a very, very strong case against MLB.

and when has MLB lost a collusin case, or any other big-league sport?

In the late 80s they lost a major collusion case with regard to free agency — but yeah, it’s been a while.

Bauer has already beaten MLB once in arbitration on this matter.
Good chance he beats them again if he takes them to court.
In fact, his argument has only been strengthened since then.

Well, he is really good at beating mentally disturbed women. That's for certain.

[Basil Shabazz]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

[Bomber1]

Obviously Bauer should be in the MLB, and is far better than most starting pitchers today, despite the very stupid posts in this threat trying to say otherwise.

He has a massive lawsuit that he will win, because MLB has cost him hundreds of millions he would have received, if not for them depriving his earning for no justified reason.

He was falsely accused of something he didn't do. He was vindicated in the courts. Despite being innocent, baseball banned him and has never rectified it.

Hopefully, he wins $200-300 million in his future lawsuit.

Playing Major League Baseball is a privilege.

It is not a right.

He will not win a lawsuit against MLB.

The opportunity to lawfully seek and maintain gainful employment most certainly is a right.
MLB is no exception.

Well then perhaps I should also sue MLB “to lawfully seek and maintain gainful employment” since according to you it’s my right as well as Bauer’s.

He will not win a lawsuit against MLB.

[passthebuck]

I wonder if things will get even more interesting come July when Julio Urias second domestic violence suspension is up? Is he going to receive the same treatment? The league is already employing a few well known domestic violence abusers.

Another thought, I wonder if Bauer had an agent, and that agent could sue claiming financial harm as well?

Maybe a team that already employs a domestic violence abuser will sign them both and add a great 1 2 knockout punch. Seems like the price will be right.

[3dender]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

Known facts:

-he beat the [shirt] out of a woman
-he regularly does that to get off
-there were multiple allegations
-it was a huge public scandal
-he is especially disliked by other players
-his numbers the last two years are mediocre given the level of the competition

[Basil Shabazz]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

Known facts:

-he beat the [shirt] out of a woman
-he regularly does that to get off
-there were multiple allegations
-it was a huge public scandal
-he is especially disliked by other players
-his numbers the last two years are mediocre given the level of the competition

Sounds like a lot of speculation and hearsay.

FACT: He has not been arrested or charged in connection to any of the allegations.

TRUTH: It's worth noting that while some players have expressed negative feelings towards Bauer, not all share the same opinion. Some players have even acknowledged his talent and the ability to provoke fans, which can be a double-edged sword


I have no care anymore on this because I feel like his best possible years left were already wasted. But, I think it is funny that the sanctimonious spew opinions as fact as if they were in the bedroom when these events happened.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

Known facts:

-he beat the [shirt] out of a woman
-he regularly does that to get off
-there were multiple allegations
-it was a huge public scandal
-he is especially disliked by other players
-his numbers the last two years are mediocre given the level of the competition

Sounds like a lot of speculation and hearsay.

FACT: He has not been arrested or charged in connection to any of the allegations.

TRUTH: It's worth noting that while some players have expressed negative feelings towards Bauer, not all share the same opinion. Some players have even acknowledged his talent and the ability to provoke fans, which can be a double-edged sword


I have no care anymore on this because I feel like his best possible years left were already wasted. But, I think it is funny that the sanctimonious spew opinions as fact as if they were in the bedroom when these events happened.

Man we have come so far in my day. I guess. There was a time that what happened behind closed doors stay behind closed doors.

[3dender]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

Known facts:

-he beat the [shirt] out of a woman
-he regularly does that to get off
-there were multiple allegations
-it was a huge public scandal
-he is especially disliked by other players
-his numbers the last two years are mediocre given the level of the competition

Sounds like a lot of speculation and hearsay.

FACT: He has not been arrested or charged in connection to any of the allegations.

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

[An Old Friend]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

Known facts:

-he beat the [shirt] out of a woman
-he regularly does that to get off
-there were multiple allegations
-it was a huge public scandal
-he is especially disliked by other players
-his numbers the last two years are mediocre given the level of the competition

Sounds like a lot of speculation and hearsay.

FACT: He has not been arrested or charged in connection to any of the allegations.

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

You’re allowing fraudulent allegations to still carry weight in your argument against him. I find that extremely odd.

[Basil Shabazz]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?