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Carp4Cy wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 20:43 pm Burly not getting it done tonight.

Pujols woulda hit a HR by now. 57 Career HRs vs the Pirates. 1.112 OPS

ecleme22 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 19:22 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 18:28 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 18:18 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 18:14 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:45 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:31 pm A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

He is, undeniably, a major league hitter. He is neither a star, nor the best player on the team.

Who said he was the best player on the team? Nobody. He is the best hitter on the 26 man roster.

WC is better

Bull chit. By what metric is .259 .343 .455 .798 with 129 K's better than .291 .341 .459 .799 with 62 K's?

By season and career stats.

Also, who cares about K total…

ClassicO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 19:35 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:31 pm A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 09:31 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

I think the best way to assess our own talent is not to compare them to each other, but to compare them to the rest of the league. I like to watch a lot of other teams’ games on tv. I think that gives me some perspective on how our players stack up. Being the best on this team does not mean much.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:48 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:15 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:48 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

But even that line isn't "star" material.

Good player for sure, an asset.

NOT a star though.

JMO

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:19 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 13:15 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:48 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 08:54 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 19:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025 14:06 pm I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

But even that line isn't "star" material.

Good player for sure, an asset.

NOT a star though.

JMO

IMO: That kid is gonna breakout next year and put up better numbers pretty much across the board.

Remember you heard it first here from RBC.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:36 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 19:35 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:31 pm A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:36 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 19:35 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:31 pm A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

ClassicO wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 14:17 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 21:36 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 19:35 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:41 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 13:31 pm A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

We disagree. I notice you avoided the defense and running component of Burly's game. And you avoided the statistics on any of the three elements of a player's value:

Defense
Burly is bad defensively, with a career -3 OAA at 1B and an embarrassing -19 in the OF. Burly is a statue on the dirt and the grass. He has a -3 range at 1b.
Contreras is a +5 OAA at 1B with a +5 range, and regardless of stats, anyone who's not blind can see that he's superior to Burly at 1b

Baserunning
Both Herrera and Contreras run well; Burly cannot run -- he is tied with Pages (!) for the 2nd slowest player on the team (behind Pozo).

Hitting
Oh, and the best stat as a gauge for hitting is wRC+ - and Herrera (124 wRC+) and Contreras (123 wRC+) are both slightly better than Burly (121 wRC+).