Burleson is a star

[3dender]

Burly not getting it done tonight.

Pujols woulda hit a HR by now. 57 Career HRs vs the Pirates. 1.112 OPS

Yeah I feel like an actual star woulda put the bat on the ball with 1st and 3rd and one out.

[hugeCardfan]

A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

He is, undeniably, a major league hitter. He is neither a star, nor the best player on the team.

Who said he was the best player on the team? Nobody. He is the best hitter on the 26 man roster.

WC is better

Bull chit. By what metric is .259 .343 .455 .798 with 129 K's better than .291 .341 .459 .799 with 62 K's?

By season and career stats.

Also, who cares about K total…

Sure. Who cares about inning killing K's.

[icon]

.726 OPS and a very weak .120 ISO with RISP. Thus, only 60 RBIs before tonight's overall 0-4.

Can we give up the Berkman comp now?

[hugeCardfan]

A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

[Red Bird Classic]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

[rockondlouie]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

[BrockFloodMaris]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

I think the best way to assess our own talent is not to compare them to each other, but to compare them to the rest of the league. I like to watch a lot of other teams’ games on tv. I think that gives me some perspective on how our players stack up. Being the best on this team does not mean much.

[rockondlouie]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

I think the best way to assess our own talent is not to compare them to each other, but to compare them to the rest of the league. I like to watch a lot of other teams’ games on tv. I think that gives me some perspective on how our players stack up. Being the best on this team does not mean much.

Bingo BFM

[Red Bird Classic]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

[rockondlouie]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

But even that line isn't "star" material.

Good player for sure, an asset.

NOT a star though.

JMO

[Red Bird Classic]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

But even that line isn't "star" material.

Good player for sure, an asset.

NOT a star though.

JMO

IMO: That kid is gonna breakout next year and put up better numbers pretty much across the board.

Remember you heard it first here from RBC.

[rockondlouie]

I'd comp Burleson to J. Naylor who's also played 1st base & the OF:

Naylor age 23-26
1347 PA's
45 HR
203 RBI
18 SB's
.274 .326 .446 .772
115 OPS+

Burly age 23-26
1455 PA's
46 HR
177 RBI
18 SB's
.267 .318 .421 .738
105 OPS+

Finally a REASONABLE comp for Burleson!

Kruk? JD Martinez? BERKMAN?…this thread reeks of a fan base so desperate for a superstar where there is none so they just make one up.

Thx CW

And you're spot on.

The fan base is so desperate for a "star" player(s) they've elevated guys like Burly and Winn to levels neither has attained.

There are no star players on this current roster.

Winn has a chance to be a star.

His floor is very good.

ONLY if he becomes a way better hitter (career: .253 .304 .380 .684).

Right now he's an elite fielder, "meh" hitter and lousy base stealer (career: 22 SB/11 CS).

Not even close to being a "star".

Winn slashed: .267/.314/.416/.730 with 15 home runs and 32 doubles in 2024. He also played gold glove level defense. I suspect this is closer to his true talent level than his career marks.

He's 23 years old and (I suspect) going through a sophomore slump.

But even that line isn't "star" material.

Good player for sure, an asset.

NOT a star though.

JMO

IMO: That kid is gonna breakout next year and put up better numbers pretty much across the board.

Remember you heard it first here from RBC.

Gotcha'

(But BDog keeps telling me he's the next E. Renteria so you may have to share credit..........and I hope you're both right!)

[ClassicO]

A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

We disagree. I notice you avoided the defense and running component of Burly's game. And you avoided the statistics on any of the three elements of a player's value:

Defense
Burly is bad defensively, with a career -3 OAA at 1B and an embarrassing -19 in the OF. Burly is a statue on the dirt and the grass. He has a -3 range at 1b.
Contreras is a +5 OAA at 1B with a +5 range, and regardless of stats, anyone who's not blind can see that he's superior to Burly at 1b

Baserunning
Both Herrera and Contreras run well; Burly cannot run -- he is tied with Pages (!) for the 2nd slowest player on the team (behind Pozo).

Hitting
Oh, and the best stat as a gauge for hitting is wRC+ - and Herrera (124 wRC+) and Contreras (123 wRC+) are both slightly better than Burly (121 wRC+).

[Shady]

A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

"I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious". Join the club.

[earp]

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[hugeCardfan]

A star draws fans. You probably see people wearing his jersey. He is among the league leaders in something. A star is under consideration for the various awards given. A star receives All-Star consideration. Star=WAR. On a team lacking stars, Burleson isn't even the best player on his team.

Pffft. He’s the best hitter on the team.

Ha. That’s like being a cyclops in the land of the blind.
Context please.
And he’s the 5th best player because he can’t defend or run.
Contreras, Herrera, Wynn and Donny are better all-around players.
The post is that he is a “star.” He’s not. And the others aren’t either

Contreras and Herrera are anything but better all around players. Herrera is a DH who has yet to find a position he can actually play. Contreras failed at catching as well. Of course Donny is a better player and Winn is a GG caliber defender who may eventually hit well.

I don't care about the AS thread. That was a bit of spoof after he virtually single handedly won a game. He is the best hitter until a few real potential AS's arrive like JJ and maybe Bernal and J Baez. We've got no one who can hit consistently this year with the exception of Burley. I don't care if the whole forum is oblivious.

We disagree. I notice you avoided the defense and running component of Burly's game. And you avoided the statistics on any of the three elements of a player's value:

Defense
Burly is bad defensively, with a career -3 OAA at 1B and an embarrassing -19 in the OF. Burly is a statue on the dirt and the grass. He has a -3 range at 1b.
Contreras is a +5 OAA at 1B with a +5 range, and regardless of stats, anyone who's not blind can see that he's superior to Burly at 1b

Baserunning
Both Herrera and Contreras run well; Burly cannot run -- he is tied with Pages (!) for the 2nd slowest player on the team (behind Pozo).

Hitting
Oh, and the best stat as a gauge for hitting is wRC+ - and Herrera (124 wRC+) and Contreras (123 wRC+) are both slightly better than Burly (121 wRC+).

I agree to disagree with the best of posters. There are a lot of caveats when comparing players, but when I defined it strictly as offensive, didn't see a point in discussing defensive stats. There are plenty of points to compare; how about the one that Contreras costs about 18 times what Burley does.