Ducks match the offer sheet. Carlsson stays.

[The Average Gatsby]

Snuggerud going to cost $15 mil per a year from now.

He would have to put up 90 this year for that.

Come on man.

I'm not saying that isn't possible. But to just say that like it's fact is not quite realistic.

He can pop in 25-30 goals and simply wait for an offer sheet. Maybe we get lucky and get him for $12-13 mil but if you are Snuggerud why wouldn’t you just wait and see. It’s the Wild Wild West out there right now. Our $8 mil per year player is over in St. Louis

Why gamble if you can have guaranteed money?

Sure the possibility is there for a larger pay day, but what if it isn't there? What if his wrist snaps again? Has a sophomore slump?

If the blues go to him with a good respectable offer for a good length such as say 80/8 that's 80 freaking million dollars. Would you say no and take your chances that a team might throw an insane offer at you and that some 4th line goon doesn't elbow smash your face into the glass and you miss 40 games from a concussion?

Way too many variables out of their control when the one variable they can control, guaranteed money and a lot of it, is right there.

We shall see…I’ll be shocked if we get him signed for less than $12 mil per year. I believe he’s going to be the highest paid Blue in history a year from now.

Cooley signed for $10m and is a much better player. I would guess something around 5 or 6 years at $8.0-8.5 AAV.

When did Cooley sign, and what was the going rate for a 30 goal winger at that time - because its quite likely that's what Snuggerud will be. All other things equal, a 10M price last year is easily 12M next year, at this rate.

He just signed at the end of last October. This upcoming season will be the 1st of his 8 year deal. So, not that long ago. I guess we’ll have to wait on Snuggs, but I don’t see a $12m deal, that’s for sure.

Cap was flat last October. Cooley is also better than Tuch and he just signed for 10.5. I’d rather have Snuggerud than Byram and he just signed for 12.5. Snuggy is gonna get paid if produces like a top line winger.

Tuch was UFA

And cap was not flat. They had already announced it would be $104m this season and $113m next season.

You guys are splitting hairs here. They kept the cap artificially low during Covid and now it’s rising to compensate. Player salaries, especially marquee players, are going to be a fair amount higher than they used to be.

[skilles]

Snuggerud going to cost $15 mil per a year from now.

He would have to put up 90 this year for that.

Come on man.

I'm not saying that isn't possible. But to just say that like it's fact is not quite realistic.

He can pop in 25-30 goals and simply wait for an offer sheet. Maybe we get lucky and get him for $12-13 mil but if you are Snuggerud why wouldn’t you just wait and see. It’s the Wild Wild West out there right now. Our $8 mil per year player is over in St. Louis

Why gamble if you can have guaranteed money?

Sure the possibility is there for a larger pay day, but what if it isn't there? What if his wrist snaps again? Has a sophomore slump?

If the blues go to him with a good respectable offer for a good length such as say 80/8 that's 80 freaking million dollars. Would you say no and take your chances that a team might throw an insane offer at you and that some 4th line goon doesn't elbow smash your face into the glass and you miss 40 games from a concussion?

Way too many variables out of their control when the one variable they can control, guaranteed money and a lot of it, is right there.

We shall see…I’ll be shocked if we get him signed for less than $12 mil per year. I believe he’s going to be the highest paid Blue in history a year from now.

Cooley signed for $10m and is a much better player. I would guess something around 5 or 6 years at $8.0-8.5 AAV.

When did Cooley sign, and what was the going rate for a 30 goal winger at that time - because its quite likely that's what Snuggerud will be. All other things equal, a 10M price last year is easily 12M next year, at this rate.

He just signed at the end of last October. This upcoming season will be the 1st of his 8 year deal. So, not that long ago. I guess we’ll have to wait on Snuggs, but I don’t see a $12m deal, that’s for sure.

Cap was flat last October. Cooley is also better than Tuch and he just signed for 10.5. I’d rather have Snuggerud than Byram and he just signed for 12.5. Snuggy is gonna get paid if produces like a top line winger.

Tuch was UFA

And cap was not flat. They had already announced it would be $104m this season and $113m next season.

You guys are splitting hairs here. They kept the cap artificially low during Covid and now it’s rising to compensate. Player salaries, especially marquee players, are going to be a fair amount higher than they used to be.

lol the difference between during covid and a month ago and the difference between UFA and RFA is splitting hairs?

[rezero]

Snuggerud going to cost $15 mil per a year from now.

I'm looking forward to people here stating over and over that no player can be paid more than Thomas. 3rd line centers will soon be paid more than Thomas.

Agree. Plus Kyrou will be on a very team friendly contract if he gets back to his 30 goal norm. MacDavid is going north of $20M.

[The Average Gatsby]

He would have to put up 90 this year for that.

Come on man.

I'm not saying that isn't possible. But to just say that like it's fact is not quite realistic.

He can pop in 25-30 goals and simply wait for an offer sheet. Maybe we get lucky and get him for $12-13 mil but if you are Snuggerud why wouldn’t you just wait and see. It’s the Wild Wild West out there right now. Our $8 mil per year player is over in St. Louis

Why gamble if you can have guaranteed money?

Sure the possibility is there for a larger pay day, but what if it isn't there? What if his wrist snaps again? Has a sophomore slump?

If the blues go to him with a good respectable offer for a good length such as say 80/8 that's 80 freaking million dollars. Would you say no and take your chances that a team might throw an insane offer at you and that some 4th line goon doesn't elbow smash your face into the glass and you miss 40 games from a concussion?

Way too many variables out of their control when the one variable they can control, guaranteed money and a lot of it, is right there.

We shall see…I’ll be shocked if we get him signed for less than $12 mil per year. I believe he’s going to be the highest paid Blue in history a year from now.

Cooley signed for $10m and is a much better player. I would guess something around 5 or 6 years at $8.0-8.5 AAV.

When did Cooley sign, and what was the going rate for a 30 goal winger at that time - because its quite likely that's what Snuggerud will be. All other things equal, a 10M price last year is easily 12M next year, at this rate.

He just signed at the end of last October. This upcoming season will be the 1st of his 8 year deal. So, not that long ago. I guess we’ll have to wait on Snuggs, but I don’t see a $12m deal, that’s for sure.

Cap was flat last October. Cooley is also better than Tuch and he just signed for 10.5. I’d rather have Snuggerud than Byram and he just signed for 12.5. Snuggy is gonna get paid if produces like a top line winger.

Tuch was UFA

And cap was not flat. They had already announced it would be $104m this season and $113m next season.

You guys are splitting hairs here. They kept the cap artificially low during Covid and now it’s rising to compensate. Player salaries, especially marquee players, are going to be a fair amount higher than they used to be.

lol the difference between during covid and a month ago and the difference between UFA and RFA is splitting hairs?

Yes. Let’s get back to Snuggerud. Earlier in this thread I agreed with Pierre that Snuggerud could get 12 million per. You said you’d be thrilled if he got 10 per. That’s splitting hairs. He’s the highest paid Blue either way. Guys are just flat out getting paid more this offseason than last offseason. Doesn’t matter if they’re UFA or RFA. Sorry but I don’t think this is a very controversial statement.

[skilles]

He can pop in 25-30 goals and simply wait for an offer sheet. Maybe we get lucky and get him for $12-13 mil but if you are Snuggerud why wouldn’t you just wait and see. It’s the Wild Wild West out there right now. Our $8 mil per year player is over in St. Louis

Why gamble if you can have guaranteed money?

Sure the possibility is there for a larger pay day, but what if it isn't there? What if his wrist snaps again? Has a sophomore slump?

If the blues go to him with a good respectable offer for a good length such as say 80/8 that's 80 freaking million dollars. Would you say no and take your chances that a team might throw an insane offer at you and that some 4th line goon doesn't elbow smash your face into the glass and you miss 40 games from a concussion?

Way too many variables out of their control when the one variable they can control, guaranteed money and a lot of it, is right there.

We shall see…I’ll be shocked if we get him signed for less than $12 mil per year. I believe he’s going to be the highest paid Blue in history a year from now.

Cooley signed for $10m and is a much better player. I would guess something around 5 or 6 years at $8.0-8.5 AAV.

When did Cooley sign, and what was the going rate for a 30 goal winger at that time - because its quite likely that's what Snuggerud will be. All other things equal, a 10M price last year is easily 12M next year, at this rate.

He just signed at the end of last October. This upcoming season will be the 1st of his 8 year deal. So, not that long ago. I guess we’ll have to wait on Snuggs, but I don’t see a $12m deal, that’s for sure.

Cap was flat last October. Cooley is also better than Tuch and he just signed for 10.5. I’d rather have Snuggerud than Byram and he just signed for 12.5. Snuggy is gonna get paid if produces like a top line winger.

Tuch was UFA

And cap was not flat. They had already announced it would be $104m this season and $113m next season.

You guys are splitting hairs here. They kept the cap artificially low during Covid and now it’s rising to compensate. Player salaries, especially marquee players, are going to be a fair amount higher than they used to be.

lol the difference between during covid and a month ago and the difference between UFA and RFA is splitting hairs?

Yes. Let’s get back to Snuggerud. Earlier in this thread I agreed with Pierre that Snuggerud could get 12 million per. You said you’d be thrilled if he got 10 per. That’s splitting hairs. He’s the highest paid Blue either way. Guys are just flat out getting paid more this offseason than last offseason. Doesn’t matter if they’re UFA or RFA. Sorry but I don’t think this is a very controversial statement.

That is not at all what I said.

I said if I were him I'd be thrilled with 10 million for 8 years.

Obviously we differ greatly on our opinions of "splitting hairs" I don't think not comparing RFA and UFA or not comparing the covid era to a month ago or the difference between 10 and 12 million is splitting hairs at all.

[The Average Gatsby]

Why gamble if you can have guaranteed money?

Sure the possibility is there for a larger pay day, but what if it isn't there? What if his wrist snaps again? Has a sophomore slump?

If the blues go to him with a good respectable offer for a good length such as say 80/8 that's 80 freaking million dollars. Would you say no and take your chances that a team might throw an insane offer at you and that some 4th line goon doesn't elbow smash your face into the glass and you miss 40 games from a concussion?

Way too many variables out of their control when the one variable they can control, guaranteed money and a lot of it, is right there.

We shall see…I’ll be shocked if we get him signed for less than $12 mil per year. I believe he’s going to be the highest paid Blue in history a year from now.

Cooley signed for $10m and is a much better player. I would guess something around 5 or 6 years at $8.0-8.5 AAV.

When did Cooley sign, and what was the going rate for a 30 goal winger at that time - because its quite likely that's what Snuggerud will be. All other things equal, a 10M price last year is easily 12M next year, at this rate.

He just signed at the end of last October. This upcoming season will be the 1st of his 8 year deal. So, not that long ago. I guess we’ll have to wait on Snuggs, but I don’t see a $12m deal, that’s for sure.

Cap was flat last October. Cooley is also better than Tuch and he just signed for 10.5. I’d rather have Snuggerud than Byram and he just signed for 12.5. Snuggy is gonna get paid if produces like a top line winger.

Tuch was UFA

And cap was not flat. They had already announced it would be $104m this season and $113m next season.

You guys are splitting hairs here. They kept the cap artificially low during Covid and now it’s rising to compensate. Player salaries, especially marquee players, are going to be a fair amount higher than they used to be.

lol the difference between during covid and a month ago and the difference between UFA and RFA is splitting hairs?

Yes. Let’s get back to Snuggerud. Earlier in this thread I agreed with Pierre that Snuggerud could get 12 million per. You said you’d be thrilled if he got 10 per. That’s splitting hairs. He’s the highest paid Blue either way. Guys are just flat out getting paid more this offseason than last offseason. Doesn’t matter if they’re UFA or RFA. Sorry but I don’t think this is a very controversial statement.

That is not at all what I said.

I said if I were him I'd be thrilled with 10 million for 8 years.

Obviously we differ greatly on our opinions of "splitting hairs" I don't think not comparing RFA and UFA or not comparing the covid era to a month ago or the difference between 10 and 12 million is splitting hairs at all.

Covid held the cap down for years while the players paid off their escrow debt. That debt was just paid off in 2024 and that’s part of the reason the cap is exploding now. That’s why I brought it up. But I do sincerely apologize for misreading your post.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/hockey ... 234783831/

[skilles]

Sorry but the things you are saying just are not true, the cap was not at all "flat" in Oct of 2025. The cap went up 7.5 million in 2025 and was already announced to go up another 8.5 this year.

Cooley was signed with the current cap in place.

Tuch was also signed with the current cap in place and was a UFA.

Its funny Ive been arguing with everyone that these contract were not to high based on the cap for years now all the sudden one crazy offer sheet and now everyone has gone a complete 360 and wants to start overpaying everyone and now the same people think the ducks were dumb not to offer a 21 year old 15 million.

I don't think there is a team in the league that would have offered him 15 million in that situation and A team giving him a plum stupid offer sheet doesn't change that IMO.

I don't think Philly themselves would have offered him 15 million had they already owned his rights. Can't wildly over pay everyone just because on the extremely rare occasion a crazy offer sheet happens.

[The Average Gatsby]

Sorry but the things you are saying just are not true, the cap was not at all "flat" in Oct of 2025. The cap went up 7.5 million in 2025 and was already announced to go up another 8.5 this year.

Cooley was signed with the current cap in place.

Tuch was also signed with the current cap in place and was a UFA.

Its funny Ive been arguing with everyone that these contract were not to high based on the cap for years now all the sudden one crazy offer sheet and now everyone has gone a complete 360 and wants to start overpaying everyone and now the same people think the ducks were dumb not to offer a 21 year old 15 million.

I don't think there is a team in the league that would have offered him 15 million in that situation and A team giving him a plum stupid offer sheet doesn't change that IMO.

I don't think Philly themselves would have offered him 15 million had they already owned his rights. Can't wildly over pay everyone just because on the extremely rare occasion a crazy offer sheet happens.

Yes I misremembered the 2025 cap. The players paid off their escrow from Covid in 2024 and 2025 is the first year the cap started going up again.

Tuch is UFA, but he didn’t actually go to market so I think it’s relevant. Clearly you don’t but that doesn’t mean that I’m lying or something. After Dorofeyev got 11 and Byram got 12.5 it’s not that far afield for a potential franchise center to ask for 15. And clearly Verbeek thinks it’s a good bet he’s gonna be worth it since he matched.

[UMR-alum-05]

Snuggerud ain't getting fifteen million. That was a reach of a take based on one offer sheet.

[skilles]

Sorry but the things you are saying just are not true, the cap was not at all "flat" in Oct of 2025. The cap went up 7.5 million in 2025 and was already announced to go up another 8.5 this year.

Cooley was signed with the current cap in place.

Tuch was also signed with the current cap in place and was a UFA.

Its funny Ive been arguing with everyone that these contract were not to high based on the cap for years now all the sudden one crazy offer sheet and now everyone has gone a complete 360 and wants to start overpaying everyone and now the same people think the ducks were dumb not to offer a 21 year old 15 million.

I don't think there is a team in the league that would have offered him 15 million in that situation and A team giving him a plum stupid offer sheet doesn't change that IMO.

I don't think Philly themselves would have offered him 15 million had they already owned his rights. Can't wildly over pay everyone just because on the extremely rare occasion a crazy offer sheet happens.

Yes I misremembered the 2025 cap. The players paid off their escrow from Covid in 2024 and 2025 is the first year the cap started going up again.

Tuch is UFA, but he didn’t actually go to market so I think it’s relevant. Clearly you don’t but that doesn’t mean that I’m lying or something. After Dorofeyev got 11 and Byram got 12.5 it’s not that far afield for a potential franchise center to ask for 15. And clearly Verbeek thinks it’s a good bet he’s gonna be worth it since he matched.

Oh I don't think you are lying, I just think you are misunderstanding a lot of details.

[The Average Gatsby]

Sorry but the things you are saying just are not true, the cap was not at all "flat" in Oct of 2025. The cap went up 7.5 million in 2025 and was already announced to go up another 8.5 this year.

Cooley was signed with the current cap in place.

Tuch was also signed with the current cap in place and was a UFA.

Its funny Ive been arguing with everyone that these contract were not to high based on the cap for years now all the sudden one crazy offer sheet and now everyone has gone a complete 360 and wants to start overpaying everyone and now the same people think the ducks were dumb not to offer a 21 year old 15 million.

I don't think there is a team in the league that would have offered him 15 million in that situation and A team giving him a plum stupid offer sheet doesn't change that IMO.

I don't think Philly themselves would have offered him 15 million had they already owned his rights. Can't wildly over pay everyone just because on the extremely rare occasion a crazy offer sheet happens.

Yes I misremembered the 2025 cap. The players paid off their escrow from Covid in 2024 and 2025 is the first year the cap started going up again.

Tuch is UFA, but he didn’t actually go to market so I think it’s relevant. Clearly you don’t but that doesn’t mean that I’m lying or something. After Dorofeyev got 11 and Byram got 12.5 it’s not that far afield for a potential franchise center to ask for 15. And clearly Verbeek thinks it’s a good bet he’s gonna be worth it since he matched.

Oh I don't think you are lying, I just think you are misunderstanding a lot of details.

Such as?

[skilles]

Sorry but the things you are saying just are not true, the cap was not at all "flat" in Oct of 2025. The cap went up 7.5 million in 2025 and was already announced to go up another 8.5 this year.

Cooley was signed with the current cap in place.

Tuch was also signed with the current cap in place and was a UFA.

Its funny Ive been arguing with everyone that these contract were not to high based on the cap for years now all the sudden one crazy offer sheet and now everyone has gone a complete 360 and wants to start overpaying everyone and now the same people think the ducks were dumb not to offer a 21 year old 15 million.

I don't think there is a team in the league that would have offered him 15 million in that situation and A team giving him a plum stupid offer sheet doesn't change that IMO.

I don't think Philly themselves would have offered him 15 million had they already owned his rights. Can't wildly over pay everyone just because on the extremely rare occasion a crazy offer sheet happens.

Yes I misremembered the 2025 cap. The players paid off their escrow from Covid in 2024 and 2025 is the first year the cap started going up again.

Tuch is UFA, but he didn’t actually go to market so I think it’s relevant. Clearly you don’t but that doesn’t mean that I’m lying or something. After Dorofeyev got 11 and Byram got 12.5 it’s not that far afield for a potential franchise center to ask for 15. And clearly Verbeek thinks it’s a good bet he’s gonna be worth it since he matched.

Oh I don't think you are lying, I just think you are misunderstanding a lot of details.

Such as?

I believe Ive explained that in the several post above.

[The Average Gatsby]

Sorry but the things you are saying just are not true, the cap was not at all "flat" in Oct of 2025. The cap went up 7.5 million in 2025 and was already announced to go up another 8.5 this year.

Cooley was signed with the current cap in place.

Tuch was also signed with the current cap in place and was a UFA.

Its funny Ive been arguing with everyone that these contract were not to high based on the cap for years now all the sudden one crazy offer sheet and now everyone has gone a complete 360 and wants to start overpaying everyone and now the same people think the ducks were dumb not to offer a 21 year old 15 million.

I don't think there is a team in the league that would have offered him 15 million in that situation and A team giving him a plum stupid offer sheet doesn't change that IMO.

I don't think Philly themselves would have offered him 15 million had they already owned his rights. Can't wildly over pay everyone just because on the extremely rare occasion a crazy offer sheet happens.

Yes I misremembered the 2025 cap. The players paid off their escrow from Covid in 2024 and 2025 is the first year the cap started going up again.

Tuch is UFA, but he didn’t actually go to market so I think it’s relevant. Clearly you don’t but that doesn’t mean that I’m lying or something. After Dorofeyev got 11 and Byram got 12.5 it’s not that far afield for a potential franchise center to ask for 15. And clearly Verbeek thinks it’s a good bet he’s gonna be worth it since he matched.

Oh I don't think you are lying, I just think you are misunderstanding a lot of details.

Such as?

I believe Ive explained that in the several post above.

Ok then. This is my last post on this topic. I feel that I’ve addressed every point you made in this exchange except Logan Cooley. You haven’t addressed anything above so I’m just going to move on now. Have a nice evening.

[dhsux]

Leo with a pisssss poor job making amends:

"It was an offer that 99% of people would sign too. It's a pretty simple answer. I really wanted to be here though. I really wanted them to match. I want to be an Anaheim Duck."

There’s nothing to make amends for. He was offered a great contract and signed it. I’d bet most of his teammates are happy for him. If anyone screwed this situation up it was Verbeek. He played hardball with Drysdale and McTavish when their ELC’s were up and got away with it. This time it bit him in the (donkey).

I really doubt his teammates are happy about being a worse team so he can make A ridiculous amount of money.

You’re wrong. Teammates are usually friends and they’re typically happy for each other when they get paid.

Team mates more often than not do not think in unison. It doesn't take much headcount to disrupt a locker room.

[The Average Gatsby]

Leo with a pisssss poor job making amends:

"It was an offer that 99% of people would sign too. It's a pretty simple answer. I really wanted to be here though. I really wanted them to match. I want to be an Anaheim Duck."

There’s nothing to make amends for. He was offered a great contract and signed it. I’d bet most of his teammates are happy for him. If anyone screwed this situation up it was Verbeek. He played hardball with Drysdale and McTavish when their ELC’s were up and got away with it. This time it bit him in the (donkey).

I really doubt his teammates are happy about being a worse team so he can make A ridiculous amount of money.

You’re wrong. Teammates are usually friends and they’re typically happy for each other when they get paid.

Team mates more often than not do not think in unison. It doesn't take much headcount to disrupt a locker room.

Scott Gomez was on spitting chiclets years ago talking about that period where he was the highest paid player in the league. Biz asked him if anyone gave him a hard time about it or resented him for it. He said guys were generally supportive of him because they understand that when someone resets the pay scale it tends to help everyone. I’ve never heard or read anything about a players salary being disruptive or causing issues so I tend to go with what Gomez said. Your mileage may vary of course.

[dhsux]

Leo with a pisssss poor job making amends:

"It was an offer that 99% of people would sign too. It's a pretty simple answer. I really wanted to be here though. I really wanted them to match. I want to be an Anaheim Duck."

There’s nothing to make amends for. He was offered a great contract and signed it. I’d bet most of his teammates are happy for him. If anyone screwed this situation up it was Verbeek. He played hardball with Drysdale and McTavish when their ELC’s were up and got away with it. This time it bit him in the (donkey).

I really doubt his teammates are happy about being a worse team so he can make A ridiculous amount of money.

You’re wrong. Teammates are usually friends and they’re typically happy for each other when they get paid.

Team mates more often than not do not think in unison. It doesn't take much headcount to disrupt a locker room.

Scott Gomez was on spitting chiclets years ago talking about that period where he was the highest paid player in the league. Biz asked him if anyone gave him a hard time about it or resented him for it. He said guys were generally supportive of him because they understand that when someone resets the pay scale it tends to help everyone. I’ve never heard or read anything about a players salary being disruptive or causing issues so I tend to go with what Gomez said. Your mileage may vary of course.

I get that but not to the tune of all players. You may be right about "most".

Also, the Ducks as a team are likely due to go backwards these coming years due to cap issues. Underlying resentment is more than likely.

I just don't see this event as a positive for the Anaheim Ducks.