Loser Mentality

[Cardinals4Life]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

A few of us pointed out the issues that were forming five years ago. We were called whiney and entitled by many.

We are now in a place where they destroyed the organization. For those of us who look at the current state of the organization, we can see it has to be a long painful rebuild.

That doesn’t mean we are accepting where we are. The empty stadium shows that.

It’s now on Bloom and ownership to fix this. Time will tell if it’s being done correctly. There is no path to quick fix the damage.

What would you be looking to do to fix this?

I would go get a few pieces in free agency/via trade. Add them to the cost-controlled young guys we have currently (who, btw, are solid complimentary pieces).

2 SPs
2 Bats
1 or 2 BP arms

Examples:
Valdez (FA), Ragans (Trade)
Valdez, Gray, Ragans, Liberatore, McGreevy

Looks formidable.

Suarez (FA), Tatis Jr. (Trade)

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. RF
Suarez 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Winn SS
Gorman DH
Scott II CF

Looks formidable.

Maton (FA), Helsely (FA), Romero, O'Brien, Svanson, Graceffo, Leahy

Obviously just examples. Names could change. But this is a solution. They just don't want to do what it takes to makenit happen.

They don’t have the pieces to get Tatis and I am not convinced he won’t seriously regress over the next few years. They don’t have the resources to win a bidding war on Valdez.

Maton and Helsley are doable. Suarez is doable, but they won’t.

Just examples....but yes, they do have the resources to get Valdez, if they wanted to.
And agree, they won't do Suarez either.

[Cardinals4Life]

Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational

+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.

TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs

Love it!

Never happening though.

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others

I like it better too.

I’m also realistic enough to know that your lineup and rotation is a pipe dream.

Well, yeah! Lol
Just examples. My point being it COULD be done.

[ecleme22]

Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational

+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.

TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs

Love it!

Never happening though.

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others

I like it better too.

I’m also realistic enough to know that your lineup and rotation is a pipe dream.

Well, yeah! Lol
Just examples. My point being it COULD be done.

How CAN it be done?

[Melville]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

[Goldfan]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

[rockondlouie]

Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational

+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.

TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs

Love it!

Never happening though.

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others

I think even w/o BDWJr spending (much) the 2026 team is going to be better than the 2025, possibly by a lot.

Just replacing Mo w/C. Bloom makes the team better + the loss of horrible starters Mikolas/Fedde and better be Pallante.

If Bloom chops the dead wood off the roster, JJW is who we all think he is and Bloom can make some smart trades and under the radar (re: inexpensive) FA signings, then I could see an 85+ win team.

Not great, but a step forward and not sucky either.

[Melville]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

He was fed meatballs in a league wide effort to get him to 700 HR.
It was all about Pujols/Wainwright/Pujols achieving one individual selfish benchmark or another.
They were the ME3.
Created a TOXIC CULTURE which has badly damaged the organization every single day since.

[Goldfan]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

He was fed meatballs in a league wide effort to get him to 700 HR.
It was all about Pujols/Wainwright/Pujols achieving one individual selfish benchmark or another.
They were the ME3.
Created a TOXIC CULTURE which has badly damaged the organization every single day since.

Well you may be correct about the meatballs…..but if so this isn’t the sport we’re all logging in here to debate everyday….its a rigged reality show

[ScotchMIrish]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

When Diamond Sports filed for bankruptcy and the reality of the TV contract hit home. The era of absorbing overpaid players because we have an unrealistic TV deal are over. I tried to tell people this a couple years ago.

[Melville]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

He was fed meatballs in a league wide effort to get him to 700 HR.
It was all about Pujols/Wainwright/Pujols achieving one individual selfish benchmark or another.
They were the ME3.
Created a TOXIC CULTURE which has badly damaged the organization every single day since.

Well you may be correct about the meatballs…..but if so this isn’t the sport we’re all logging in here to debate everyday….its a rigged reality show

The Ohtani Rule was rigged by MLB to inflate his offensive numbers - primarily HR.
The steroid era was rigged by MLB to inflate offensive numbers - primarily HR.
And Pujols was fed meatballs in a coordinated, if unspoken, way to inflate his HR totals.
And now we have the multi-billion dollar betting industry subsidizing the sport.
Draw your own conclusions.

[Ozziesfan41]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

He was fed meatballs in a league wide effort to get him to 700 HR.
It was all about Pujols/Wainwright/Pujols achieving one individual selfish benchmark or another.
They were the ME3.
Created a TOXIC CULTURE which has badly damaged the organization every single day since.

Well you may be correct about the meatballs…..but if so this isn’t the sport we’re all logging in here to debate everyday….its a rigged reality show

The Ohtani Rule was rigged by MLB to inflate his offensive numbers - primarily HR.
The steroid era was rigged by MLB to inflate offensive numbers - primarily HR.
And Pujols was fed meatballs in a coordinated, if unspoken, way to inflate his HR totals.
And now we have the multi-billion dollar betting industry subsidizing the sport.
Draw your own conclusions.

lol so now you’re branching out into tin foil hat territory. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on here impressive

[Bomber1]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

It didn’t take Melvillian genius to know that signing Molina to a 3-year $60 million contract was stupid, or that Molina mailed it in his last season.

I was against keeping Wainwright but only his last year was an albatross contract as he pretty much stunk in his quest for 200 wins.

I was against the re-signing of Pujols but his 2nd half put the Cardinals into the playoffs.

[Hoosier59]

I'll add - the "loser mentality" is, if anything, whining for ownership to give you the pablum of a couple of "stars," a couple of "names" you recognize, even when you should know this team is nowhere good enough to really compete with a couple of more "names."

Settling for being pacified by just having a couple more "names" on the back of jerseys instead of demanding the implementation of a real plan to eventually be able to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Padres, etc. is the "loser mentality." That's really what ownership has been selling fans on for the last several years to get to this point.

You sure seem to think you’ve got it all figured out and us “Whiners” are clueless! Are you really just another account for Melville?
Hope you enjoy the next 3+ years of futility!
In my opinion this team is only 3 or 4 players away from being able to compete. I guess you have no confidence in any of our current players, so to replace the whole team will take several years!

[Melville]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

He was fed meatballs in a league wide effort to get him to 700 HR.
It was all about Pujols/Wainwright/Pujols achieving one individual selfish benchmark or another.
They were the ME3.
Created a TOXIC CULTURE which has badly damaged the organization every single day since.

Well you may be correct about the meatballs…..but if so this isn’t the sport we’re all logging in here to debate everyday….its a rigged reality show

The Ohtani Rule was rigged by MLB to inflate his offensive numbers - primarily HR.
The steroid era was rigged by MLB to inflate offensive numbers - primarily HR.
And Pujols was fed meatballs in a coordinated, if unspoken, way to inflate his HR totals.
And now we have the multi-billion dollar betting industry subsidizing the sport.
Draw your own conclusions.

lol so now you’re branching out into tin foil hat territory. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on here impressive

I understand that facts may be inconvenient for you, but hey are facts nonetheless.
Fact is, the Ohtani Rule was put in place to maximize his production numbers alone.
Fact is, MLB most certainly looked the other way when the steroid era put more fans in seats and more eyes on the TV screen.
Fact is, MLB is now embracing organized gambling as a business partner.
Fact is, Pujols was brought to STL to chase 700 career HR and it was a major marketing track for MLB - and he started seeing meatballs just in time to get him across the finish line.
And fact is, STL openly admitted that the Molina and Wainwright extensions were put in place to allow them to reach specifically - and heavily marketed - milestones.
But then, you are already fully aware of these facts.
The only question is why you are pretending otherwise

[Ozziesfan41]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.

You were not the only one…

I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.

Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.

Always kind and gracious to a fault, I believe the best of others.
If you claim to have opposed all 6 of those decisions as I did, I choose to believe you.
If you predicted, as I did, that those moves would inevitably cause the following tailspin and caused the TOXIC CULTURE which defined the organization as a result, you are to be congratulated for seeing the future as perfectly as I did.

As far as Pujols he carried that team the second half while the “MVP’s” were fading through Sept into the playoffs in OCT

He was fed meatballs in a league wide effort to get him to 700 HR.
It was all about Pujols/Wainwright/Pujols achieving one individual selfish benchmark or another.
They were the ME3.
Created a TOXIC CULTURE which has badly damaged the organization every single day since.

Well you may be correct about the meatballs…..but if so this isn’t the sport we’re all logging in here to debate everyday….its a rigged reality show

The Ohtani Rule was rigged by MLB to inflate his offensive numbers - primarily HR.
The steroid era was rigged by MLB to inflate offensive numbers - primarily HR.
And Pujols was fed meatballs in a coordinated, if unspoken, way to inflate his HR totals.
And now we have the multi-billion dollar betting industry subsidizing the sport.
Draw your own conclusions.

lol so now you’re branching out into tin foil hat territory. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read on here impressive

I understand that facts may be inconvenient for you, but hey are facts nonetheless.
Fact is, the Ohtani Rule was put in place to maximize his production numbers alone.
Fact is, MLB most certainly looked the other way when the steroid era put more fans in seats and more eyes on the TV screen.
Fact is, MLB is now embracing organized gambling as a business partner.
Fact is, Pujols was brought to STL to chase 700 career HR and it was a major marketing track for MLB - and he started seeing meatballs just in time to get him across the finish line.
And fact is, STL openly admitted that the Molina and Wainwright extensions were put in place to allow them to reach specifically - and heavily marketed - milestones.
But then, you are already fully aware of these facts.
The only question is why you are pretending otherwise

Surely you’re not actually dumb enough to believe MLB went to every major league pitcher who pujols was going to face including those who were in pennant races and pitching for free agent contracts and some pitching to try to keep their jobs in the major leagues and told them and their teams to throw pujols meat balls so he could hit home runs and they agreed to do it and none of them leaked it to the media? I know you are prone to saying dumb[shirt] but this is top tier dumb even for you I have to slate you for just how dumb you can be it’s impressive levels of dumb

[45s]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

A few of us pointed out the issues that were forming five years ago. We were called whiney and entitled by many.

We are now in a place where they destroyed the organization. For those of us who look at the current state of the organization, we can see it has to be a long painful rebuild.

That doesn’t mean we are accepting where we are. The empty stadium shows that.

It’s now on Bloom and ownership to fix this. Time will tell if it’s being done correctly. There is no path to quick fix the damage.

What would you be looking to do to fix this?

I would go get a few pieces in free agency/via trade. Add them to the cost-controlled young guys we have currently (who, btw, are solid complimentary pieces).

2 SPs
2 Bats
1 or 2 BP arms

Examples:
Valdez (FA), Ragans (Trade)
Valdez, Gray, Ragans, Liberatore, McGreevy

Looks formidable.

Suarez (FA), Tatis Jr. (Trade)

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. RF
Suarez 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Winn SS
Gorman DH
Scott II CF

Looks formidable.

Maton (FA), Helsely (FA), Romero, O'Brien, Svanson, Graceffo, Leahy

Obviously just examples. Names could change. But this is a solution. They just don't want to do what it takes to makenit happen.

They don’t have the pieces to get Tatis and I am not convinced he won’t seriously regress over the next few years. They don’t have the resources to win a bidding war on Valdez.

Maton and Helsley are doable. Suarez is doable, but they won’t.

Just examples....but yes, they do have the resources to get Valdez, if they wanted to.
And agree, they won't do Suarez either.

and what would your presentation be to convince Valdez to sign with StL?