Loser Mentality

[Cardinals4Life]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

[Ozziesfan41]

Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational

[ramfandan]

The star power got older and older .. Waino , Molina , Pujols for a yaer, then Goldy and Arenado The rest of the team were complimentary players but the minors were not developing young top players. As the old guys began to retire, the team got worse and worse year by year .
Most of the fans never thought about replacment from the minors . They just wanted the old declining guys to keep going til they wilted .

Once the old guard left , the fans realized there were no young up and coming stars from our minors but it was too late now. In just a couple years , the team floundered big time. Mo let the minors go to shambled both with technology , coaching, and scouting.

The players at the big league level tried to win but didn't have the skill level to do so .

[JuanAgosto]

When Johnny bow ties Mozeliak got arrogant and lazy. He thought he could outsmart the league and win with anything he threw on the field. Considered himself a genius while every other front office laughed and rolled their eyes. And he continued to let the whole system fall apart. Now that his stench is gone maybe Bloom can fix the rot. That guy was a putz!

[hugeCardfan]

Nothing we didn’t see in the 70’s and 90’s, but go ahead and vent. Don’t want Bloom thinking we’ll be patient.

[ecleme22]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Okay, so this is a loser mentality.

Is this a winning mentality?

1. Signing Wiggy to a 2 year deal when he could've been had for a minor league contract.
2. Treating Matt Adams as if he were Schwarber.
3. Treating Grichuk like he's the next Edmonds.
4. Signing Stephen freakin' Piscotty to a 7 year deal.
5. Signing Leak to a 5 year deal.
6. Treating Tommy Pham like Adron Chambers.
7. Treating Bader as the next big thing.
8. Treating Tyler O'Neill as if he's the next Stanton.
9. Treating Gallen and Sandy as if they are expendable.
10. Treating Hudson as if he's a big arm.
11. Treating Bourjos as if he's good.
12. Treating DeJong as if he's 'our future!'
13. Treating Arozarena as if he's redundant.
14. Treating Edman as if he's a great player.
15. Treating Cecil as if he's good.
16. Treating Andrew Miller as if he's still good.
17. Signing Fowler to a 5 year deal and being laughed at by the league.
18. Signing a 35 Miko to a 2-year extension.

Is any of this a winning mentality?


Bloom and the Cards are just resetting for a bit. Trying to make some smart moves. Yes, gathering prospects before we really start to make a statement in FA.

Patience, bro. This is actually a winner's mentality that's happening now...

[juan good eye]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

You’re out of touch with actual winning.

DFIB

[ecleme22]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

You’re out of touch with actual winning.

DFIB

If they can’t see that this strategy is one that’s going to flip the team over in a way that’s Brewers + a higher payroll, then I just don’t know what to tell them.

[juan good eye]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

You’re out of touch with actual winning.

DFIB

If they can’t see that this strategy is one that’s going to flip the team over in a way that’s Brewers + a higher payroll, then I just don’t know what to tell them.

They don’t want to see it bc they can’t let go.

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Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

Okay, so this is a loser mentality.

Is this a winning mentality?

1. Signing Wiggy to a 2 year deal when he could've been had for a minor league contract.
2. Treating Matt Adams as if he were Schwarber.
3. Treating Grichuk like he's the next Edmonds.
4. Signing Stephen freakin' Piscotty to a 7 year deal.
5. Signing Leak to a 5 year deal.
6. Treating Tommy Pham like Adron Chambers.
7. Treating Bader as the next big thing.
8. Treating Tyler O'Neill as if he's the next Stanton.
9. Treating Gallen and Sandy as if they are expendable.
10. Treating Hudson as if he's a big arm.
11. Treating Bourjos as if he's good.
12. Treating DeJong as if he's 'our future!'
13. Treating Arozarena as if he's redundant.
14. Treating Edman as if he's a great player.
15. Treating Cecil as if he's good.
16. Treating Andrew Miller as if he's still good.
17. Signing Fowler to a 5 year deal and being laughed at by the league.
18. Signing a 35 Miko to a 2-year extension.

Is any of this a winning mentality?


Bloom and the Cards are just resetting for a bit. Trying to make some smart moves. Yes, gathering prospects before we really start to make a statement in FA.

Patience, bro. This is actually a winner's mentality that's happening now...

And you even left out the Broxton and Holland deals, and the costly 2-year extension for the washed-up Matt Carpenter.

But yeah, I agree with your post. Well done.

[mattmitchl44]

It's not a "Loser Mentality". It's dealing with reality.

The reality is that this team simply does not have enough talent under years of team control where, even if you added another $50 or $55 million in FAs (like Bo Bichette and Dylan Cease), they are going to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Padres, etc. to get to an NLCS or WS.

There is no "quick fix" for this team. They need to develop a 4+ WAR, young, cost controlled position player - hopefully Wetherholt will be that in 2-3 years. They need to develop a young, cost controlled, front of rotation SP - hopefully Doyle will be that in 2-3 years. And, right now, the important job it trading players like Gray, Donovan, Contreras, etc. who may bring you back additional prospects who could be those guys if Wetherholt or Doyle aren't. Right now the priority is giving themselves more chance to "hit" on the kinds of prospects they need to hit on.

Once you get a couple of those guys along with Winn, Herrera, Burleson, Liberatore, etc. THEN you have a critical mass of young, cost controlled talent that you can go out and supplement with expensive FAs and expect to compete at the highest levels in the NL.

[mattmitchl44]

I'll add - the "loser mentality" is, if anything, whining for ownership to give you the pablum of a couple of "stars," a couple of "names" you recognize, even when you should know this team is nowhere good enough to really compete with a couple of more "names."

Settling for being pacified by just having a couple more "names" on the back of jerseys instead of demanding the implementation of a real plan to eventually be able to compete with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Padres, etc. is the "loser mentality." That's really what ownership has been selling fans on for the last several years to get to this point.

[woofy25]

The fans are clearly showing it’s not acceptable, so I don’t understand what the OP is talking about.

[Bully4you]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

They really have very little current talent.
They have no desire to spend money.
Simple as that.

[Cusecards]

It's not a "Loser Mentality". It's dealing with reality.

The reality is that this team simply does not have enough talent under years of team control where, even if you added another $50 or $55 million in FAs (like Bo Bichette and Dylan Cease), they are going to be really competitive with the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Padres, etc. to get to an NLCS or WS.

There is no "quick fix" for this team. They need to develop a 4+ WAR, young, cost controlled position player - hopefully Wetherholt will be that in 2-3 years. They need to develop a young, cost controlled, front of rotation SP - hopefully Doyle will be that in 2-3 years. And, right now, the important job it trading players like Gray, Donovan, Contreras, etc. who may bring you back additional prospects who could be those guys if Wetherholt or Doyle aren't. Right now the priority is giving themselves more chance to "hit" on the kinds of prospects they need to hit on.

Once you get a couple of those guys along with Winn, Herrera, Burleson, Liberatore, etc. THEN you have a critical mass of young, cost controlled talent that you can go out and supplement with expensive FAs and expect to compete at the highest levels in the NL.

Good points!
Looking forward to what appears to be a rejuvenated farm system over the next 2/3 years.

[Cusecards]

Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.

They really have very little current talent.
They have no desire to spend money.
Simple as that.

Ok