Would you do this Trade for Sandy Alcantara

[kyace]

Cards and Marlins both are looking for younger and more years of control players. Marlins would want Matthew’s plus another prospect. Cards aren’t doing that. If Cards trade Donovan it will be for high upside prospects.

[ScotchMIrish]

Alcantara pitches tonight vs the Cardinals.

His last five- 7, 7, 6, 5, and 5 innings. 2-3 team record. Lost against Houston at Atl and Boston.


Shut out STL at STL Aug 29. Five innings 3 hits.

His pitch counts have been good all year. I don't follow it close enough to know if his velocity is down or exactly what's causing his problems but his arm is healed.

[renostl]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Donovan plus what.

I don't think he would trade Donovan in an Alcantara trade.
I guess that is what he was saying.

I see. So donovan alone is enough.

I think he would rather have Donovan than Alcantara.
We have an up and comer at 2nd base.
We need pitching.

I think Donovan has more value (production vs. contract status) than Alcantara currently. He's certainly going to cost less than $38.3M the next two seasons, he might not cost even half that much, and I think his production (read: fWAR) has a high chance to be on par with Alcantara's if not better. Yes, there is a slight change Sandy bounces back to CY form next year and vastly outproduces Donovan over the next two seasons, again, at a higher cost. You could also just look to sign a FA SP for two years at $19-20M AAV.

That being said, I'm not opposed to moving Donovan given our depth (namely JJ) but I just wouldn't do it in this deal. Not sure what their needs are now but I would consider moving Donovan for one of Seattle's top four SPs. However, given how unlikely it seems that ownership will spend big money this off-season I'd rather flip Donovan for prospects until ownership is ready to spend as Alcantara or Gilbert or Kirby or Woo, etc. alone isn't going to turn this team into a contender.

You're not getting Gilbert or Kirby or Woo for Hurdy Gurdy

I agree, they have more value straight up than Donovan and it seems they've solved their derth of bats problem (for the most part at least). That was just an example off the top of my head (the time for a deal with Seattle was two off-seasons ago). I can't remember his contract status (and obviously they would have to pass a physical) but Pablo Lopez has two years left on his contract, I'd consider a move for him (not necessarily Donovan straight up). I really wanted Jesus Luzardo last year but that ship has sailed when the Phillies beat us to the punch.

Again, these types of moves only make sense if ownership is going to spend to fill out the rest of the roster otherwise it's a half measure that makes no sense. Just trade Donovan for a longer-term player if they aren't going to spend in that case.

There is question as to how the new FO will see Donovan. Is he seen as a starting infielder as soon
as 2026? IMO he is less valuable as an outfielder.

I see some reasons here that Sandy isn't a good fit because by the time the team is good he would be gone.
The exact same reasoning can be applied to BD. I don't agree that this team is far away, although they could choose
to be far away.

This trade just seems to miss the point. However anytime a 12% over average MI who might have a limited
future can get an ace or potential ace the team has to look at that. Flipping Sandy is also possible as early as
the next trade deadline. Not ideal but could create a high floor in such a deal.

There's a lot of options out there. If trading BD while at potentially his peak, I'd prefer the return be
control with upside. Sandy is near $18 million add Matz money to it or Helsley money to it and go shopping.

[renostl]

Cards and Marlins both are looking for younger and more years of control players. Marlins would want Matthew’s plus another prospect. Cards aren’t doing that. If Cards trade Donovan it will be for high upside prospects.

IF Mathews plus other prospects can get you Sandy you may want to look at that.
Sandy regains form and you may get back more than you gave up for him.
Not to mention the Cardinals need 2026 help in the rotation. He makes Miles money.

[IndCard75]

Marlins won’t want Donovan, they will want players with years of control. If the Marlin’s decide to trade Alcantara they will get something like Gorman and Crooks. If we are going to attempt to
Be competitive next year I would do that trade.

[ScotchMIrish]

He's throwing high 90's. I wonder why he's struggling in many of his starts. Is he not throwing some breaking pitches he used to throw out of worry he will injure the arm?

[Bully4you]

Alcantara pitches tonight vs the Cardinals.

He looked really good the other night.
Everyone on CT always thinks we should get more and give less.
They don't live in reality.
I think many teams will vie for his services this offseason.
It will take more to acquire him than folks think.

[ScotchMIrish]

Alcantara pitches tonight vs the Cardinals.

He looked really good the other night.
Everyone on CT always thinks we should get more and give less.
They don't live in reality.
I think many teams will vie for his services this offseason.
It will take more to acquire him than folks think.

According to the radio broadcast he was throwing high 90's. I wonder why he gets hit hard some games. Perhaps his breaking pitches aren't breaking as much as they used to? Could it be he is protecting the arm by not snapping off the breaking pitches as much?

I suspect you are right. In the off season a team will offer a lot to get him depending on how he finishes the season. His pitch counts are consistently 90's and he has hit 100 pitches several times. Arm is healthy and velocity is there. I'm not sure the Cardinals have enough to get him.

[Melville]

Cards get Alcantara

Marlins get:
Brendan Donovan
Jordan Walker

Is it too much or not enough
Is Alcantara now too old for us at the rebuild stage.
Just curious what you think

Just Walker.

[ecleme22]

Cards get Alcantara

Marlins get:
Brendan Donovan
Jordan Walker

Is it too much or not enough
Is Alcantara now too old for us at the rebuild stage.
Just curious what you think

That would be a bad trade.

If you trade Donovan, you want a younger, cheaper prospect.

No offense but.....
Lord am I sick and tired of prospects.

Also, here’s a little secret:

If you get prospects for Donovan, you still have that 40mil to spend on pitching or other roster needs. (The 40mil Sandy is owed.)

Bump.

Here’s the thing: Sandy makes about 20 mil a year. If the cards are willing to pay 20mil for a pitcher, they can achieve that in FA.

The team should be trading Donovan for cost controlled players.