Would you do this Trade for Sandy Alcantara

[Bully4you]

I'd be excited to have Sandy.
I'd hate to lose Donovan.
Could care less about Walker.

[ecleme22]

Cards get Alcantara

Marlins get:
Brendan Donovan
Jordan Walker

Is it too much or not enough
Is Alcantara now too old for us at the rebuild stage.
Just curious what you think

That would be a bad trade.

If you trade Donovan, you want a younger, cheaper prospect.

[3dender]

Alcantara doesn't really align with when this team may be good again, unless they extend him through like 2030 (which I wouldn't be opposed to).

I'd do one of Donovan/Noot/Burly for him, plus maybe a Crooks-level prospect. That would serve to clear logjams on the position player side as well as address a need.

I don't expect Miami would let him go for that little though.

So, you think my offer is lite.
Rbi thinks it's way too much.
Who knows?

Donovan + Crooks is lighter than Donovan + Walker.

[3dender]

Alcantara doesn't really align with when this team may be good again, unless they extend him through like 2030 (which I wouldn't be opposed to).

I'd do one of Donovan/Noot/Burly for him, plus maybe a Crooks-level prospect. That would serve to clear logjams on the position player side as well as address a need.

I don't expect Miami would let him go for that little though.

RBI thinks Donovan is too rich alone. I think. You add a prospect and say it’s still too low.

I’m muffed.

RBI's talking about from the Cards perspective, I'm talking about from Miami's perspective.

Ultimately I don't think the two sides align very well for this trade I guess is what I'm saying. If they're gonna trade one of their more valuable position players for pitching it should be a younger guy with more control who is not as expensive (and probably not as good as Sandy is likely to be the next 2 years).

[Bully4you]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Well, isn't he coming off a Tommy John injury?
Obviously, this would be taking a risk.
However, I think Sandy's ceiling is much greater than either that of Donovan or Walker.
Also, there will be plenty of suitors.
Have to give to get.

Yes, he is, and his results aren't good. His fWAR (based on FIP) is still below average.

Sandy has upside potential and that's what you're betting on acquiring him. Donovan is too much of a sure thing for me to give up on a speculative move like this, especially when there will be opportunities for speculative moves in FA.

Shouldn't there have been plenty of suitors at the deadline also?

Again, I like the player as a target (mentioned him specifically in a post a month or so ago as targets I liked), but this price is too high for me. If other teams are willing to pay that price that's their prerogative.

Not sure he was available to get at the deadline.
I think there will be a lot of teams offering if he becomes available.
We have terrible pitching.
I think Sandy can do really well the next couple of years.
And he has incentive to do well.

[Bully4you]

Alcantara doesn't really align with when this team may be good again, unless they extend him through like 2030 (which I wouldn't be opposed to).

I'd do one of Donovan/Noot/Burly for him, plus maybe a Crooks-level prospect. That would serve to clear logjams on the position player side as well as address a need.

I don't expect Miami would let him go for that little though.

So, you think my offer is lite.
Rbi thinks it's way too much.
Who knows?

Donovan + Crooks is lighter than Donovan + Walker.

Oh I see.
I don't think Rbi would include Donovan at all is what I was saying.

[Bully4you]

Cards get Alcantara

Marlins get:
Brendan Donovan
Jordan Walker

Is it too much or not enough
Is Alcantara now too old for us at the rebuild stage.
Just curious what you think

That would be a bad trade.

If you trade Donovan, you want a younger, cheaper prospect.

No offense but.....
Lord am I sick and tired of prospects.

[rbirules]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Donovan plus what.

I don't think he would trade Donovan in an Alcantara trade.
I guess that is what he was saying.

I see. So donovan alone is enough.

I think he would rather have Donovan than Alcantara.
We have an up and comer at 2nd base.
We need pitching.

I think Donovan has more value (production vs. contract status) than Alcantara currently. He's certainly going to cost less than $38.3M the next two seasons, he might not cost even half that much, and I think his production (read: fWAR) has a high chance to be on par with Alcantara's if not better. Yes, there is a slight change Sandy bounces back to CY form next year and vastly outproduces Donovan over the next two seasons, again, at a higher cost. You could also just look to sign a FA SP for two years at $19-20M AAV.

That being said, I'm not opposed to moving Donovan given our depth (namely JJ) but I just wouldn't do it in this deal. Not sure what their needs are now but I would consider moving Donovan for one of Seattle's top four SPs. However, given how unlikely it seems that ownership will spend big money this off-season I'd rather flip Donovan for prospects until ownership is ready to spend as Alcantara or Gilbert or Kirby or Woo, etc. alone isn't going to turn this team into a contender.

[sdaltons]

Lmao no.

Let's fix a stupid mistake we made years ago by making another stupid mistake!

[rockondlouie]

No

Not sold on Sandy ever regaining his form.

Last 10 GS
5.64 ERA
1.34 WHiP

If they're going to "circle back", then just sign Z. Gallen and use Donny as bait in another trade.

[sdaltons]

I'd be excited to have Sandy.
I'd hate to lose Donovan.
Could care less about Walker.

So then how much do you care about Walker? Is there a lot of room to care less or just a little?

[ecleme22]

Cards get Alcantara

Marlins get:
Brendan Donovan
Jordan Walker

Is it too much or not enough
Is Alcantara now too old for us at the rebuild stage.
Just curious what you think

That would be a bad trade.

If you trade Donovan, you want a younger, cheaper prospect.

No offense but.....
Lord am I sick and tired of prospects.

No, you’re sick and tired of MO’s prospect return. We all are.

And I don’t even mean a A ball 17 year old. Could be an MLBer w 1-3 years experience.

[scoutyjones2]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Donovan plus what.

I would not give up Donovan for Sandy, Donovan is more valuable.

I'd give him up for a starting pitcher without blinking.

[scoutyjones2]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Donovan plus what.

I don't think he would trade Donovan in an Alcantara trade.
I guess that is what he was saying.

I see. So donovan alone is enough.

I think he would rather have Donovan than Alcantara.
We have an up and comer at 2nd base.
We need pitching.

I think Donovan has more value (production vs. contract status) than Alcantara currently. He's certainly going to cost less than $38.3M the next two seasons, he might not cost even half that much, and I think his production (read: fWAR) has a high chance to be on par with Alcantara's if not better. Yes, there is a slight change Sandy bounces back to CY form next year and vastly outproduces Donovan over the next two seasons, again, at a higher cost. You could also just look to sign a FA SP for two years at $19-20M AAV.

That being said, I'm not opposed to moving Donovan given our depth (namely JJ) but I just wouldn't do it in this deal. Not sure what their needs are now but I would consider moving Donovan for one of Seattle's top four SPs. However, given how unlikely it seems that ownership will spend big money this off-season I'd rather flip Donovan for prospects until ownership is ready to spend as Alcantara or Gilbert or Kirby or Woo, etc. alone isn't going to turn this team into a contender.

You're not getting Gilbert or Kirby or Woo for Hurdy Gurdy

[ecleme22]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Donovan plus what.

I would not give up Donovan for Sandy, Donovan is more valuable.

I'd give him up for a starting pitcher without blinking.

For a starter w more team control? Definitely

[rbirules]

Donovan has the same amount of team control as Alcantara, but is better and cheaper, so no I wouldn't do that deal, let alone include Walker.

I do like Sandy as a target, but not at this price.

Donovan plus what.

I would not give up Donovan for Sandy, Donovan is more valuable.

I'd give him up for a starting pitcher without blinking.

So would I, just not this particular one.