Anyone disappointed in Broberg thus far?

[theograce]

But he’s borderline IMO.

Why? I’m curious. He passes every marker. Regular season, playoffs, international, durability, longevity, leadership.

Playoffs alone

37th GP (probably finishes top 15-20)

8th ATOI

29th points (probably finishes in 20 range)

32 in +/-

30th is ES goals

8th ES assists

3rd in blocked shots (after tonight).

[theograce]

Jbow and Parayko were studs the entire 2019 run and they were the #1 pair.

Pietrangelo played more than both, scored more goals than both combined and had as many points as both combined. Always on the ice to end out games/protect leads and a complete pk stud.

Enjoy the truth

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[TBone]

Parayko/Jaybo led EVTOI and DZone % starts this pairing was the shut down pair if i recall

You recall correctly. Petro ATO was higher because of his PP time.
Jbow and Parayko were studs the entire 2019 run and they were the #1 pair.
Don't get me wrong...Petro was fantastic too....but Berube played Parayko and JBow when things needed to be shutdown that entire postseason.
That run continued until JBow's unfortunate heart issue caused his retirement.

Yes. They were the shutdown pair.

And I believe both of them actually picked up sticks during the COVID shutdown.

[theograce]

Parayko/Jaybo led EVTOI and DZone % starts this pairing was the shut down pair if i recall

You recall correctly. Petro ATO was higher because of his PP time.
Jbow and Parayko were studs the entire 2019 run and they were the #1 pair.
Don't get me wrong...Petro was fantastic too....but Berube played Parayko and JBow when things needed to be shutdown that entire postseason.
That run continued until JBow's unfortunate heart issue caused his retirement.

Yes. They were the shutdown pair.

Except when closing out games or running the PK? It’s confusing hey?

When you play the most minutes out of anyone on your team … you have play defense … and offense lol.

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“Mesmerizing. Jaw dropping. Best defenseman I’ve seen in a long time. Best defenseman in the final. Said follow me boys.”

[theograce]

And I believe both of them actually picked up sticks during the COVID shutdown.

Where?

[seattleblue]

If Pietrangelo were a Coppola film he'd be The Conversation, not one of the first two Godfathers or Apocalypse Now.
(The Conversation is a masterpiece also, there are a lot of layers to it, and there are other masterpieces that get mentioned first)

[theograce]

If Pietrangelo were a Coppola film he'd be The Conversation, not one of the first two Godfathers or Apocalypse Now.
(The Conversation is a masterpiece also, there are a lot of layers to it, and there are other masterpieces that get mentioned first)

[dhsux]

Unless you are 10 years old...frigging pathetic...on multiple levels.

[Bluesfan1978]

Considering he's 23 and just finished his first full season in the NHL I'm more than happy with how he played. Looking forward to seeing him continue to develop.

[SpacemanSpiff]

That said, I’m simply presenting facts here. I for one appreciated Petro when he was here but we don’t need to rehash another Theo/bleeder Petro thread.

But as for his HHOF credentials, I consider him borderline. But he’s won 2 Cups and led both of those Cup teams in ATOI, was captain of one and asst captain of the other. In fact, he’s the only player in NHL history to lead two separate franchises in ATOI to a Cup (both teams first Cup wins to boot). He has at least as good of a resume as Shea Weber IMO so for that, I’d probably say he eventually gets in. But he’s borderline IMO.

Correct.

AP makes a strong case because he's a very good defenceman.

I think he eventually gets in, but he's definitely not a first ballot guy.

Certainly has knocks against him when it comes to the voters.

Never been in the conversation for any major award - he has two 4th place finishes for the Norris (and a very distant fourth both years), and not even in the ballpark for anything else.

Part of that is he plays a simple, uncomplicated game, and he's not flashy, and there's a place for that in the HOF....eventually. Which I always find disappointing. It's became the "Hall of Very Good."

As far as the Parayko / Bouwmeester / Pietrangelo discussion goes - yes, the Parayko / Bouwmeester pairing were the shut down guys and dealt with all of the other team's top players, which allowed Pietrangelo to flourish against second line players. Perfect recipe for success.

[theograce]

As far as the Parayko / Bouwmeester / Pietrangelo discussion goes - yes, the Parayko / Bouwmeester pairing were the shut down guys and dealt with all of the other team's top players, which allowed Pietrangelo to flourish against second line players. Perfect recipe for success.

Pietrangelo led the PK and closed out games. That’s dealing with the other teams top players at the most crucial times … yup.

[Tabasco Flowers]

Why do you wimps fall in to this troll's game? Can you not stop?

[fork] him and his socks, and [fork] y'all that stroke him.

WTF.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Why do you wimps fall in to this troll's game? Can you not stop?

[fork] him and his socks, and [fork] y'all that stroke him.

WTF.

I was agreeing with MN, and I have his aliases on ignore.

[Harry S Deals]

It's psycho that he responds to himself even offering compliments such as seattleblue so odd. Someone should tell his mom to be careful anyone see Adolescence? Are we dealing with an incel?

[STL fan in MN]

That said, I’m simply presenting facts here. I for one appreciated Petro when he was here but we don’t need to rehash another Theo/bleeder Petro thread.

But as for his HHOF credentials, I consider him borderline. But he’s won 2 Cups and led both of those Cup teams in ATOI, was captain of one and asst captain of the other. In fact, he’s the only player in NHL history to lead two separate franchises in ATOI to a Cup (both teams first Cup wins to boot). He has at least as good of a resume as Shea Weber IMO so for that, I’d probably say he eventually gets in. But he’s borderline IMO.

Correct.

AP makes a strong case because he's a very good defenceman.

I think he eventually gets in, but he's definitely not a first ballot guy.

Certainly has knocks against him when it comes to the voters.

Never been in the conversation for any major award - he has two 4th place finishes for the Norris (and a very distant fourth both years), and not even in the ballpark for anything else.

Part of that is he plays a simple, uncomplicated game, and he's not flashy, and there's a place for that in the HOF....eventually. Which I always find disappointing. It's became the "Hall of Very Good."

As far as the Parayko / Bouwmeester / Pietrangelo discussion goes - yes, the Parayko / Bouwmeester pairing were the shut down guys and dealt with all of the other team's top players, which allowed Pietrangelo to flourish against second line players. Perfect recipe for success.

If it was fully the Hall of Very Good then Tkachuk would be in the Hall and he’s not. And I agree he shouldn’t be. But agree there’s some guys in the Hall I wouldn’t have voted in. But conversely, plenty of guys that continually get snubbed that think should be in.

I may regret discussing this further but regarding the 2019 playoffs, I’ll agree that Berube put Bouw-Parayko together to use as the shutdown pair. That wasn’t really the case in the regular season and I still very much considered Petro the #1 D.

A couple further thoughts. I tried looking for 2019 playoffs QoC data but couldn’t find it. But let’s assume Petro primarily played against the opponents 2nd line most of the time (knowing the Blues didn’t have the last change in all away games and thus couldn’t dictate matchups). Were the Jets, Stars, Sharks and Bruins 2nd lines really that much less quality than the 1st lines? I honestly don’t recall all the lines but all of those teams were pretty deep so my thought is the QoC really wouldn’t be all that different.

The other thing I want to mention is Petro led the D in goals, points, time on ice etc dragging the corpse of Joel Edmundson with him. Or Gunnar when he was paired with Petro. Petro was fantastic while carrying a pairing with a subpar partner.

I tend to avoid these discussions as they’re generally just a troll trying to needle people but I think that constant needling and the way Petro exited the org left people to undervalue his contributions during he was here and partially during the Cup run in an attempt to discredit him to play gotcha with the troll.

[seattleblue]

It's psycho that he responds to himself even offering compliments such as seattleblue so odd. Someone should tell his mom to be careful anyone see Adolescence? Are we dealing with an incel?

Help me understand why I'm being mentioned in your comment