Anyone disappointed in Broberg thus far?

[theograce]

I’d like to see more fire in him. Playing super timid. Outlet passes are soft and off (that pass to Kyrou was part of the reason he got blown up).

Still a boy unfortunately.

[-Blueski-]

You're hate for Broberg runs deep

[seattleblue]

If I felt about him like "future #1LHD STUD" then I would be, but I never put my expectations there so it's not disappointing. I want him to become a really strong second pair player, the kind you can win with in the playoffs. I think that is a more reasonable goal.

Mentally I am here:
I want Fowler to hold up until Lindstein is ready and I think that's reasonable.
Broberg I want to stay right where he is (middle pair) and keep getting better
Parayko I want to play like this for at least 2-3 more years

Faulk's arc is coming to an end soon
Tucker is making himself that 6-7 defender you need
Burns I feel very very good about being a lefty Tucker at least. Incidentally he is captain of an OHL team playing a second round Game 7 tonight at Barrie and if they lose his junior career is done and he could join Springfield.

Suter ... he is one of those "exception to the rule" players so could he provide #5 minutes next year on another similar incentives contract? I'm open to that since we are trying to bridge until Lindstein, Fischer, Burns, and maybe Ralph get there. If he isn't signed next year then this is a relatively easy UFA hurdle.

Faulk is what he is which is adequate. To me it's taking the quality of play we are getting from Faulk and upgrading it by a lot, with an impact player. I think this is a hockey trade type player and that means we are going to have to trade from our offensive depth, probably strong roster player + strong prospect to get this quality of player.

[DawgDad]

No.

[theograce]

If I felt about him like "future #1LHD STUD" then I would be, but I never put my expectations there.

Mine aren’t either. Just really soft whether he’s a 2 or 4. His outlet passes have been pretty bad as well

[callitwhatyouwant]

If I felt about him like "future #1LHD STUD" then I would be, but I never put my expectations there so it's not disappointing. I want him to become a really strong second pair player, the kind you can win with in the playoffs. I think that is a more reasonable goal.

Mentally I am here:
I want Fowler to hold up until Lindstein is ready and I think that's reasonable.
Broberg I want to stay right where he is (middle pair) and keep getting better
Parayko I want to play like this for at least 2-3 more years

Faulk's arc is coming to an end soon
Tucker is making himself that 6-7 defender you need
Burns I feel very very good about being a lefty Tucker at least. Incidentally he is captain of an OHL team playing a second round Game 7 tonight at Barrie and if they lose his junior career is done and he could join Springfield.

Suter ... he is one of those "exception to the rule" players so could he provide #5 minutes next year on another similar incentives contract? I'm open to that since we are trying to bridge until Lindstein, Fischer, Burns, and maybe Ralph get there. If he isn't signed next year then this is a relatively easy UFA hurdle.

Faulk is what he is which is adequate. To me it's taking the quality of play we are getting from Faulk and upgrading it by a lot, with an impact player. I think this is a hockey trade type player and that means we are going to have to trade from our offensive depth, probably strong roster player + strong prospect to get this quality of player.

This team as currently constructed isn't losing because of Defense. We lose because of lack of offense. We had a big output of it when Holloway was here. Since he has been gone, the numbers have diminished and the losses have gone up.

We have open cap on this team for offense. All additions should go that direction for next year. 1 of those should be Dvorsky. The hard one for me is Faksa earned a 4th line contract, but Sunny needs to be dropped down. Blues on D next year should resign Suter and stand pat. Unless you feel like Lindstein is going into the roster, no need to make any crazy moves. Leddy and Fowlers contract's expire after next season. At that point you move on from Suter and Leddy, I think you should extend Fowler this summer on as short of a contract as you can. And you insert players as we go. Lindstein and 1 other 2 years from now. And then Faulk opens up another.

[bgwinn01]

Not disappointed in him. What would you expect from a young guy who is closer to being a rookie than he is a veteran? He is playing to not make a mistake and he needs to be more aggressive. But this experience is what he'll learn from going forward. Like it is for a lot of our young talent.

[seattleblue]

If I felt about him like "future #1LHD STUD" then I would be, but I never put my expectations there.

Mine aren’t either. Just really soft whether he’s a 2 or 4. His outlet passes have been pretty bad as well

He's got to go through playoff iteration not just with a McDavid team (where his transition play can shine more) but with a Blues team as currently constructed. The list of younger core players who have the ability to play better has more than Broberg on it. I'm agreeing he's not been the assertive, silky attacking player we've seen prior glimpses of, but we also saw the variation within the season.

Good topic though, fair for discussion.

What do you think of the possibility of adding a piece somewhere along the way the way the Bruins added Lindholm a few years ago? I completely share the frustration of NMC unwillingness and acknowledge the flaw in this mention is Lindholm got in Boston what he wouldn't here. But maybe they can acquire a player still in RFA mode. They kinda have to go this route now, right? If it were up to you, who would you make available and who would you target?

That question is for anyone by the way.

[seattleblue]

If I felt about him like "future #1LHD STUD" then I would be, but I never put my expectations there so it's not disappointing. I want him to become a really strong second pair player, the kind you can win with in the playoffs. I think that is a more reasonable goal.

Mentally I am here:
I want Fowler to hold up until Lindstein is ready and I think that's reasonable.
Broberg I want to stay right where he is (middle pair) and keep getting better
Parayko I want to play like this for at least 2-3 more years

Faulk's arc is coming to an end soon
Tucker is making himself that 6-7 defender you need
Burns I feel very very good about being a lefty Tucker at least. Incidentally he is captain of an OHL team playing a second round Game 7 tonight at Barrie and if they lose his junior career is done and he could join Springfield.

Suter ... he is one of those "exception to the rule" players so could he provide #5 minutes next year on another similar incentives contract? I'm open to that since we are trying to bridge until Lindstein, Fischer, Burns, and maybe Ralph get there. If he isn't signed next year then this is a relatively easy UFA hurdle.

Faulk is what he is which is adequate. To me it's taking the quality of play we are getting from Faulk and upgrading it by a lot, with an impact player. I think this is a hockey trade type player and that means we are going to have to trade from our offensive depth, probably strong roster player + strong prospect to get this quality of player.

This team as currently constructed isn't losing because of Defense. We lose because of lack of offense. We had a big output of it when Holloway was here. Since he has been gone, the numbers have diminished and the losses have gone up.

We have open cap on this team for offense. All additions should go that direction for next year. 1 of those should be Dvorsky. The hard one for me is Faksa earned a 4th line contract, but Sunny needs to be dropped down. Blues on D next year should resign Suter and stand pat. Unless you feel like Lindstein is going into the roster, no need to make any crazy moves. Leddy and Fowlers contract's expire after next season. At that point you move on from Suter and Leddy, I think you should extend Fowler this summer on as short of a contract as you can. And you insert players as we go. Lindstein and 1 other 2 years from now. And then Faulk opens up another.

I'm not saying they're losing right now because of defense, I am taking this whole playoff season as "Valuable Experience" and looking ahead with roster construction to next year and beyond (mentions of prospects who aren't on the team yet). Going forward I am so much less concerned about the offense being Cupworthy than the defense.

[wiscrev]

You're hate for Broberg runs deep

No, he's just blind.

[DawgDad]

I rate this OP and the whole thread really in the category of utter troll nonsense.

Two players on the Blues have a positive +/-. TWO!

WANNA GUESS WHO ONE OF THEM IS?

[moose-and-squirrel]

Hahaha pitiful thread

[seattleblue]

I kinda see it as more controlled contrarianship than trolling but everyone can differ.
Personally I value the utility of a contrarian discussion because if you cede the strength of each other's best points you can get somewhere.

[theograce]

14 mins at ES … poor outlet passes and playing soft.

Stay objective if possible

[callitwhatyouwant]

If I felt about him like "future #1LHD STUD" then I would be, but I never put my expectations there so it's not disappointing. I want him to become a really strong second pair player, the kind you can win with in the playoffs. I think that is a more reasonable goal.

Mentally I am here:
I want Fowler to hold up until Lindstein is ready and I think that's reasonable.
Broberg I want to stay right where he is (middle pair) and keep getting better
Parayko I want to play like this for at least 2-3 more years

Faulk's arc is coming to an end soon
Tucker is making himself that 6-7 defender you need
Burns I feel very very good about being a lefty Tucker at least. Incidentally he is captain of an OHL team playing a second round Game 7 tonight at Barrie and if they lose his junior career is done and he could join Springfield.

Suter ... he is one of those "exception to the rule" players so could he provide #5 minutes next year on another similar incentives contract? I'm open to that since we are trying to bridge until Lindstein, Fischer, Burns, and maybe Ralph get there. If he isn't signed next year then this is a relatively easy UFA hurdle.

Faulk is what he is which is adequate. To me it's taking the quality of play we are getting from Faulk and upgrading it by a lot, with an impact player. I think this is a hockey trade type player and that means we are going to have to trade from our offensive depth, probably strong roster player + strong prospect to get this quality of player.

This team as currently constructed isn't losing because of Defense. We lose because of lack of offense. We had a big output of it when Holloway was here. Since he has been gone, the numbers have diminished and the losses have gone up.

We have open cap on this team for offense. All additions should go that direction for next year. 1 of those should be Dvorsky. The hard one for me is Faksa earned a 4th line contract, but Sunny needs to be dropped down. Blues on D next year should resign Suter and stand pat. Unless you feel like Lindstein is going into the roster, no need to make any crazy moves. Leddy and Fowlers contract's expire after next season. At that point you move on from Suter and Leddy, I think you should extend Fowler this summer on as short of a contract as you can. And you insert players as we go. Lindstein and 1 other 2 years from now. And then Faulk opens up another.

I'm not saying they're losing right now because of defense, I am taking this whole playoff season as "Valuable Experience" and looking ahead with roster construction to next year and beyond (mentions of prospects who aren't on the team yet). Going forward I am so much less concerned about the offense being Cupworthy than the defense.

For sure, but I do think this defense has bought itself another year, while we wait for the forwards to come thru. If the forward group continues to get younger, and get more skilled like it appears. I think you can make some extreme moves in 2 years when we have 42m in cap space and then following year 76. THAT IS A LOT of CHEDDA CHEESE. Imagine if this forward group takes another step forward this next year and you just have to extend Holloway and Neighbours. You will still have Bolduc and Snuggs on the rookie contracts. You will have a lot of money to spread around and decide whether or not to make some big trades. You have to assume Bolduc, Neighbours, Snuggs, Holloway, and Stenberg are Locks in your under 23 age group. Then you have Obviously Buchy/Thomas/Kyrou. That's 8 out of your 12 that are going to play together for a long time.

[callitwhatyouwant]

I rate this OP and the whole thread really in the category of utter troll nonsense.

Two players on the Blues have a positive +/-. TWO!

WANNA GUESS WHO ONE OF THEM IS?

Faulk and Broberg have been very responsible. Faulk had one cough up yesterday when he tried to outpuck handle in his own end. Faulk had a couple threatening shots too. I'd like to see Broberg get a little more aggressive in the offensive zone. But he has been a little bit weary of that for some reason unless he gets the break out. A quick factual stat that's meaningful. Broberg averaged 1.4 shots per game during the regular season and has 0. Faulk averaged 1.5 and has 4 total shots so 2 per game. If Broberg got a bit more offensive he would be doing above and beyond what he needs to.