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ramfandan wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 21:54 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:27 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.
2. Bloom is about to make some big moves. Maybe keeping Oli, for now, isn't a top priority. Maybe the time is not now to unleash a new manager.
3. 2025 Cards: They did almost NOTHING in the offseason and sold at the deadline.

Hot take: If the Cards made only modest moves in the offseason and stood pat at the deadline, they would at least be better than Tito's Reds....

Good points!
And I’m solidly in the camp that we can do better than Oli and his Staff.
Having said that I believe you should walk before you run.
There should be a lot of roster moves prior to ST and then there figure to be more prospects(hopefully) emerging throughout 2026.
Baby steps.
If forced to make a prediction right now I don’t see Oli here in 2027.
That being said I hope Bloom makes good moves and Oli proves me wrong!

and if things really go south in 2026 , there is always the possibility that Oli could be relieved of his duties prior to the end of the season if Bloom is not satisfied . Cards fans haven't seen that often in St. Louis but who knows . Other teams finish with an interim manager if POBO isn't pleased .

Yes

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

But you're not going to change the culture with Marmol at the helm. He is part of the problem here, and not to get rid of him is a mistake, I think, If changing the culture is part of the goal. And if that's not part of the goal, that is a problem. It's not just a talent deficit. It's a culture deficit.

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

We it ain't optics. LOL.

I think CB knows he's going to make some BIG changes this offseason and probably sees Oli as a steady force in the transition.

Here's the thing: If the players didn't like Oli or he ran a toxic clubhouse or he was reckless with the roster (like keeping Libby in for 130 pitches), he'd be toast.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:21 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

We it ain't optics. LOL.

I think CB knows he's going to make some BIG changes this offseason and probably sees Oli as a steady force in the transition.

Here's the thing: If the players didn't like Oli or he ran a toxic clubhouse or he was reckless with the roster (like keeping Libby in for 130 pitches), he'd be toast.

Nobody should care whether the players like Oli. I'd rather have them respect the manager. And I'd like to see a more businesslike attitude in the dugout. Not all smiles or in his case smirks while you're getting blown out. Or a manager who doesn't seem to have a care in the world whether the team is winning or losing. There should be pressure to win on everybody, including the manager.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 22:10 pm
My premise is if the Cards were just modest in the offseason and weren't sellers at the deadline, they would've been better than Cincy.

Did someone say presumptuous earlier?

icon wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:21 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

But you're not going to change the culture with Marmol at the helm. He is part of the problem here, and not to get rid of him is a mistake, I think, If changing the culture is part of the goal. And if that's not part of the goal, that is a problem. It's not just a talent deficit. It's a culture deficit.

You f'n nailed it!

Culture matters. Leadership matters. Especially in that seat. Being liked and respected are two completely different things.

icon wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:27 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:21 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

We it ain't optics. LOL.

I think CB knows he's going to make some BIG changes this offseason and probably sees Oli as a steady force in the transition.

Here's the thing: If the players didn't like Oli or he ran a toxic clubhouse or he was reckless with the roster (like keeping Libby in for 130 pitches), he'd be toast.

Nobody should care whether the players like Oli. I'd rather have them respect the manager. And I'd like to see a more businesslike attitude in the dugout. Not all smiles or in his case smirks while you're getting blown out. Or a manager who doesn't seem to have a care in the world whether the team is winning or losing. There should be pressure to win on everybody, including the manager.

Who says the players don't respect him? Please provide links.

Also can we drop the "One time I saw Oli smiling when the team was losing so that means he doesn't care" schtick?

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:35 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:21 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

But you're not going to change the culture with Marmol at the helm. He is part of the problem here, and not to get rid of him is a mistake, I think, If changing the culture is part of the goal. And if that's not part of the goal, that is a problem. It's not just a talent deficit. It's a culture deficit.

You (Ef'En) nailed it!

Culture matters. Leadership matters. Especially in that seat. Being liked and respected are two completely different things.

Just because a nobody (you) doesn't respect Oli doesn't mean the players don't either.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:41 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:35 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:21 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

But you're not going to change the culture with Marmol at the helm. He is part of the problem here, and not to get rid of him is a mistake, I think, If changing the culture is part of the goal. And if that's not part of the goal, that is a problem. It's not just a talent deficit. It's a culture deficit.

You (Ef'En) nailed it!

Culture matters. Leadership matters. Especially in that seat. Being liked and respected are two completely different things.

Just because a nobody (you) doesn't respect Oli doesn't mean the players don't either.

lol... so your(a nobody) presumption is greater than my(another nobody) presumption. Got it.

You are full of presumptions cast off as facts in your thread. Well done.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:49 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:41 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:35 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 09:21 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:58 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.

It's probably politics and optics more than anything else. He knows we aren't going to be a championship contender next year. He probably has a plan to replace the manager and it will play out in its own good time.

But you're not going to change the culture with Marmol at the helm. He is part of the problem here, and not to get rid of him is a mistake, I think, If changing the culture is part of the goal. And if that's not part of the goal, that is a problem. It's not just a talent deficit. It's a culture deficit.

You (Ef'En) nailed it!

Culture matters. Leadership matters. Especially in that seat. Being liked and respected are two completely different things.

Just because a nobody (you) doesn't respect Oli doesn't mean the players don't either.

lol... so your(a nobody) presumption is greater than my(another nobody) presumption. Got it.

You are full of presumptions cast off as facts in your thread. Well done.

1. Do you have PROOF Oli is not respected? Please provide links.
2. Do you think Bloom would retain a manager who wasn't respected by his players?


If all you have is "Hey, remember that one time Oli was smiling when the Cards were losing??", then you have nothing.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:32 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 01:09 am The tone of the OP reflects exactly what the Cardinals attempted to exploit for the last 14 years - the faith of three million [fork]tards believing that qualifying for the playoffs meant everything… more than actual excellence.

Funny how you missed the point.

You: "The OP wanted the team to buy in the offseason and at the deadline!"

LOL. Nope...

Oh, wait… you had a point?

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:20 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:32 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 01:09 am The tone of the OP reflects exactly what the Cardinals attempted to exploit for the last 14 years - the faith of three million [fork]tards believing that qualifying for the playoffs meant everything… more than actual excellence.

Funny how you missed the point.

You: "The OP wanted the team to buy in the offseason and at the deadline!"

LOL. Nope...

Oh, wait… you had a point?

I painted you into a corner last night.

Your reaction since is sad, but understood.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:37 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 10:20 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 08:32 am

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 01:09 am The tone of the OP reflects exactly what the Cardinals attempted to exploit for the last 14 years - the faith of three million [fork]tards believing that qualifying for the playoffs meant everything… more than actual excellence.

Funny how you missed the point.

You: "The OP wanted the team to buy in the offseason and at the deadline!"

LOL. Nope...

Oh, wait… you had a point?

I painted you into a corner last night.

Your reaction since is sad, but understood.

You’re hilarious.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.
2. Bloom is about to make some big moves. Maybe keeping Oli, for now, isn't a top priority. Maybe the time is not now to unleash a new manager.
3. 2025 Cards: They did almost NOTHING in the offseason and sold at the deadline.

Hot take: If the Cards made only modest moves in the offseason and stood pat at the deadline, they would at least be better than Tito's Reds....

Bloom gets a bogey year and has a lame duck manager. There’s no real good reason to replace him from Bloom’s perspective, and the types of managers they should be looking for don’t want this job in its current state.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑01 Oct 2025 13:59 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2025 20:15 pm 1. Bloom has been here two seasons. His decision to keep Oli, for now, is more informed than any of us.
2. Bloom is about to make some big moves. Maybe keeping Oli, for now, isn't a top priority. Maybe the time is not now to unleash a new manager.
3. 2025 Cards: They did almost NOTHING in the offseason and sold at the deadline.

Hot take: If the Cards made only modest moves in the offseason and stood pat at the deadline, they would at least be better than Tito's Reds....

Bloom gets a bogey year and has a lame duck manager. There’s no real good reason to replace him from Bloom’s perspective, and the types of managers they should be looking for don’t want this job in its current state.

Totally agree.

Keeping Marmot as manager in 26 is absurd as his extension and letting MO Ran play POBOy in 2025.

The great "teacher" did not with Gorman or Walker. Can't say they regressed but definitely did not progress. Ended up with 3-5 catchers who all combined might make an avg MLB quality catcher. Base running, lack of game strategy, et al - are NOT reasons to keep an incompetent in place while saying “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

Maybe not word salad but at least a side salad.