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Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 19:14 pm
by Shady
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:35 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:21 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:18 pm
1B- Willson Contreras is signed for 2026, 2027, and club option for 2028. He will be the first baseman through at least 2027.
SS- Masyn Winn
3B- Nolan Arenado is also signed for 2026 and 2027. The Cardinals owe him $22M in 26 and $15M in 27 if they don't/can't trade him. They may find a taker. if not, he plays.
2B- All the candidates we talk about, Saggesse, Donovan, Wetherholt, Gorman. One will play second (Wetherholt), one may play third if Arenado leaves, and one may be traded for an area of greater need.
We won't see Gorman at first.
DH is also an option to fit Gorman in. In order to fit these two very talented 23 year-old hitters into the lineup. This looks like the way to go. Wetherholt at 3B and Saggese at 2B.
Wetherholt is 22. I carefully and politely explained that to you a few days ago. Is your dementia really that bad?
Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 19:18 pm
by Shady
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 19:14 pm
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:35 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:21 pm
Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:18 pm
1B- Willson Contreras is signed for 2026, 2027, and club option for 2028. He will be the first baseman through at least 2027.
SS- Masyn Winn
3B- Nolan Arenado is also signed for 2026 and 2027. The Cardinals owe him $22M in 26 and $15M in 27 if they don't/can't trade him. They may find a taker. if not, he plays.
2B- All the candidates we talk about, Saggesse, Donovan, Wetherholt, Gorman. One will play second (Wetherholt), one may play third if Arenado leaves, and one may be traded for an area of greater need.
We won't see Gorman at first.
DH is also an option to fit Gorman in. In order to fit these two very talented 23 year-old hitters into the lineup. This looks like the way to go. Wetherholt at 3B and Saggese at 2B.
Wetherholt is 22. I carefully and politely explained that to you a few days ago. Is your dementia really that bad?
I politely stand corrected to you and AOF. That may get him a little closer to Saggese in the pecking order. The demeaning dementia jab wasn't necessary. That's why you are a societal mess whether you realize it or not. You always try to squirm your way into trying to be right. And thrive on demeaning others in the process. That has the makings of a societal mess. IMO.
Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 19:32 pm
by Shady
Cranny wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 18:46 pm
Whether you like the poster who started this thread or not, it a good thread to start. The infield going forward will be interesting. A good topic for conversation.
Thanks Cranny. There are some good things going on for the Cards' future including the infield potential. Some good things for Bloom to work with.
Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 19:44 pm
by Shady
Another thing for respectful CT posters. Could Crooks hit enough to get into the future 1B consideration? He may hit better than Gorman, overall. And have more power than Burleson, eventually. By the way, I feel the Cardinals see Burleson as a fairly reliable, insurance-type hitter vs RHP for the next few seasons. While they sort things out with some hitters with, possibly, more upside. Also, maybe he is a decent trade chip.
Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 20:46 pm
by An Old Friend
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 19:18 pm
I politely stand corrected to you and AOF.
More like impolitely and intentional considering this conversation took place less than one week ago.
Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:03 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 13:46 pm
This is Wetherholt's age-22 season, Saggese age-23.
Please explain.
To which you received the following replies:
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:21 pm
It’s pretty simple.
Saggese turns 23 in 2 days, thus will spend almost all of 2025 as a 23 year old
Wetherholt turns 23 in September, thus will spend almost all of 2025 as a 22 year old
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:25 pm
A player's age in any given season is based upon how old they are on June 30th. Saggese turns 23 in two days and therefore, this is his age 23 season.
JJ turns 23 on September 10th, therefore this is his age 22 season.
To which you responded:
Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 17:09 pm
OK, brilliant one. Now "educate" us, once again, on how great Contreras is. LOL
And then Monsieur weighed back in:
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 18:04 pm
watch...within a day or two he'll be repeating the same nonsense.
And you've proven that to be an accurate prediction.
So, save the "politely stand corrected" - this already occurred, so you either:
A - FORGOT THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED... which makes a dementia call potentially accurate, OR...
B - THIS IS INTENTIONAL
Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 20:59 pm
by Shady
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 20:46 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 19:18 pm
I politely stand corrected to you and AOF.
More like impolitely and intentional considering this conversation took place less than one week ago.
Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:03 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 13:46 pm
This is Wetherholt's age-22 season, Saggese age-23.
Please explain.
To which you received the following replies:
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:21 pm
It’s pretty simple.
Saggese turns 23 in 2 days, thus will spend almost all of 2025 as a 23 year old
Wetherholt turns 23 in September, thus will spend almost all of 2025 as a 22 year old
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:25 pm
A player's age in any given season is based upon how old they are on June 30th. Saggese turns 23 in two days and therefore, this is his age 23 season.
JJ turns 23 on September 10th, therefore this is his age 22 season.
To which you responded:
Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 17:09 pm
OK, brilliant one. Now "educate" us, once again, on how great Contreras is. LOL
And then Monsieur weighed back in:
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 18:04 pm
watch...within a day or two he'll be repeating the same nonsense.
And you've proven that to be an accurate prediction.
So, save the "politely stand corrected" - this already occurred, so you either:
A - FORGOT THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED... which makes a dementia call potentially accurate, OR...
B - THIS IS INTENTIONAL
Give a rest. SHEESH !!!
Re: The future infield
Posted: 13 Apr 2025 21:02 pm
by An Old Friend
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 20:59 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 20:46 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025 19:18 pm
I politely stand corrected to you and AOF.
More like impolitely and intentional considering this conversation took place less than one week ago.
Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:03 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 13:46 pm
This is Wetherholt's age-22 season, Saggese age-23.
Please explain.
To which you received the following replies:
Futuregm2 wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:21 pm
It’s pretty simple.
Saggese turns 23 in 2 days, thus will spend almost all of 2025 as a 23 year old
Wetherholt turns 23 in September, thus will spend almost all of 2025 as a 22 year old
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 14:25 pm
A player's age in any given season is based upon how old they are on June 30th. Saggese turns 23 in two days and therefore, this is his age 23 season.
JJ turns 23 on September 10th, therefore this is his age 22 season.
To which you responded:
Shady wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 17:09 pm
OK, brilliant one. Now "educate" us, once again, on how great Contreras is. LOL
And then Monsieur weighed back in:
Monsieur De Treville wrote: ↑08 Apr 2025 18:04 pm
watch...within a day or two he'll be repeating the same nonsense.
And you've proven that to be an accurate prediction.
So, save the "politely stand corrected" - this already occurred, so you either:
A - FORGOT THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED... which makes a dementia call potentially accurate, OR...
B - THIS IS INTENTIONAL
Give a rest. SHEESH !!!
I will after you kindly and politely let us know whether you FORGOT this conversation that happened 5 days ago, or if you're doing this INTENTIONALLY, which isn't very polite.
I'm just kindly asking for an honest answer. Can you give it?
Re: The future infield
Posted: 14 Apr 2025 07:52 am
by Talkin' Baseball
I enjoy reading posts from both of you when you talk about baseball, but you ruin every thread you're a part of when you do this.
Re: The future infield
Posted: 14 Apr 2025 08:55 am
by rockondlouie
Walker's improvement this year defensively in RF (+1) should kill off all the "1st base talk".
But that infield the OP listed is weak at the corners where you need power bats.
JJ is NOT a power bat if you station him at 3rd base, Gorman has the "potential" but we have to see it re-surface.
I prefer JJ at 2nd base where his bat could then be special.
C. Bloom will need to find a power bat at one (or even two) of the corners via the draft, trade or (unlikely given Dewitt's new found cheapness) free agency.