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Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 20:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 20:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 19:43 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:47 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:44 pm Not at all what I was hoping for. Bohm looks ok but he's in A+ ball.

So the most tradeable piece returned some A ball maybees
What the point of this
Salary dump??

Doesn’t seem like you know what a salary dump is.

Doesn’t it?? Please explain it for me would ya

A salary dump is motivated by dumping salary.

They traded Helsley to add to the farm system before he goes to free agency.

Of course....but what I can't understand is....if you know and say out loud this a reset year....don't plan on adding pieces to be more competitive this year....then why in the heck wasn't he dealt in the off season....why do you keep him until he becomes a 2 month rental....some teams it would be understandable but with the cards it's makes no sense

Bushiro wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:56 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 20:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 20:34 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 19:43 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:47 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:44 pm Not at all what I was hoping for. Bohm looks ok but he's in A+ ball.

So the most tradeable piece returned some A ball maybees
What the point of this
Salary dump??

Doesn’t seem like you know what a salary dump is.

Doesn’t it?? Please explain it for me would ya

A salary dump is motivated by dumping salary.

They traded Helsley to add to the farm system before he goes to free agency.

Of course....but what I can't understand is....if you know and say out loud this a reset year....don't plan on adding pieces to be more competitive this year....then why in the heck wasn't he dealt in the off season....why do you keep him until he becomes a 2 month rental....some teams it would be understandable but with the cards it's makes no sense

Helsley
Fedde
Matz
Miles
Gray
NA
WC
All should have been gone last offseason. What was the point? DFAing Fedde?? A ball return for Helsley? Not forcing the NTC clan to leave so they stay and do what?? This org has no plan…..everyone says “rebuild”……who, what, where???

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:50 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:42 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:35 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:33 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:26 pm

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:18 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:12 pmI ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps he would get multi year offer…..you don’t know. What’s the best draft position?

So you’re against rebuilding but for offering him QO which best case scenario he turns down and you get a draft pick you don’t draft until next year then will be 3-4 years away? Which is a lot further away than the prospects they got in the trade lol that makes no sense

Ozzie, I just see ALOT of similarities from a couple years ago…..middling prospects….full of HOPE …..who are still in minors giving us HOPE

So you actually thought if they kept helsley they would be a good enough team to make the post season this season or next season if he accepts the QO? This team isn’t even close to being a post season threat and you are advocating hope and prayer. I hated that mentality from Mo just hope and pray the cardinals are good if they had rebuilt when they should have they would have been good again by now but mo never went in to win or went in on a rebuild just sustained mediocrity and hoping and praying for success that’s exactly what keeping helsley would have been. For someone who doesn’t like mo you are advocating for a mo type move

Removing talent for this “rebuild” is interesting…..Are they rebuilding this year? What exactly have they done? We were supposed to see if young guys could play? Most of those young guys look exactly how they looked before this season. So what’s the plan now? Another year to blossom? I see no plan here. Middling A prospects isn’t a rebuild. The minor league filler received a couple years ago isn’t a rebuild. Receiving a top young prospect or young ML player is a rebuild, but I don’t see that. The only positive is drafting JJ. So if this is a tank job for years to draft high then get on with it. But I see no rebuilding yet

If they really wanted to do an effective rebuild they would trade Romero and Donovan and get some good prospects. Keeping helsley would have been dumb it would have been it would been the worst possible move they could make because he would walk for nothing

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/652635 ... ed_article
As I said…..salary dump

craviduce wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:46 pm Dohm has a great frame...6'4"...solid base.

really good K/9 rating...

Baez and Dohm...good return for a rental

I appreciate your optimism. I don’t share it on this one.

I think Dohm’s elbow is a ticking time bomb.

Baez will need a ton of development work.

a pot and a kettle wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 19:12 pm This deal tell's me Gorman’s future is limited in this org.

Trade has ZERO to do with Gorman. It has zero effect on Gorman.

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:21 pm

cardstatman wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:18 pm I'm just going to say, "I told you so" to all those (apparently including the Cards FO) who didn't want to trade Fedde and Helsley during the offseason because they would be just as valuable at the trade deadline as they were during the offseason.

Not anywhere close.

The Cardinals are philosophically opposed to selling high. DeWitt is an eternal optomist.

Branch Rickey, who started off the 100 year Cardinals dynasty said, “It is better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late.”

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 22:21 pm https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/652635 ... ed_article
As I said…..salary dump

Repeating it doesn’t make you less wrong.

It’s not a salary dump. You don’t know what that means. You should stop and just accept that.

Helsley was the exact opposite of a salary dump.

Man sucks I know a lot didn't like him with how volatile he could be but I always enjoyed watching him pitch. Wish we could have had some meaningful playoff games with him.

Ya know, besides the one where he choked. Or blew up due to an non healed injury. Whichever you prefer. Hope whatever they got for him will benefit the team in the future

For what it’s worth Baez is now the Cardinals #6 prospect and Dohm is #15 per MLB.com:

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/cardinals/

An Old Friend wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 22:27 pm

a pot and a kettle wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 19:12 pm This deal tell's me Gorman’s future is limited in this org.

Trade has ZERO to do with Gorman. It has zero effect on Gorman.

I respect your opinion, I’ll reconsider mine.

a pot and a kettle wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 07:17 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 22:27 pm

a pot and a kettle wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 19:12 pm This deal tell's me Gorman’s future is limited in this org.

Trade has ZERO to do with Gorman. It has zero effect on Gorman.

I respect your opinion, I’ll reconsider mine.

Yeah - it's just that Baez is so far away, and maybe won't stay on the infield... that he's too far disconnected from mattering to affect any decision making or playing time for Gorman.

In some sense, Gorman has the biggest effect - can he be healthy the rest of the season? While sluggers often take a little longer to develop, Gorman is looking more and more like a strong side platoon power bat at best. I'm not sure that he'll get to serviceable against lefties since he also kind of lacks a primary position in the field. But power is still really hard to come by, and he has shown some growth this season. I would think the new front office would like another year to evaluate him... but he HAS TO STAY HEALTHY.

Baez is ticketed for High-A

DyadicEffect wrote: ↑31 Jul 2025 04:37 am For what it’s worth Baez is now the Cardinals #6 prospect and Dohm is #15 per MLB.com:

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/cardinals/

And Blaze Jordan at #19.
Surprised to see this new Baez rated above Joshua Baez, who is at #10, so guess that's encouraging.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 22:32 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 22:21 pm https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/652635 ... ed_article
As I said…..salary dump

Repeating it doesn’t make you less wrong.

It’s not a salary dump. You don’t know what that means. You should stop and just accept that.

Helsley was the exact opposite of a salary dump.

So you agree they receive very little in return for an all-star closer who was contracted at 8.2mil with 2.706 roughly outstanding…….
So what would you call this…..charity for the Mets??….letting RH have some time in the Big Apple?? Tired of seeing Helsley face in BP???
“It’s not a salary dump”…..they say so rigid in their little definition
If you’re not paying a salary any longer and really received very little in return for that value what is it then???

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:29 pm Baez was a preseason top 97 prospect, if that's your thing. Dohm looks to be another pitcher with the kind of arm that they targeted in the draft this year.

Further away from the majors than I would have liked, but that's what happens when they didn't trade him last deadline or last offseason, assuming there were offers.

For trading a 30 year old rental? I'll take it. Got some players with upside to follow at the least.

Agree, those who thought they would get ML ready stars were always mistaken.

Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:18 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 21:12 pmI ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

This.