BREAKING: HELSLEY TO METS!!!

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Are we rebuilding again next season?? Do you know when we transition to not rebuilding?
Up until a month ago we were in the race….if some moves were made and perhaps not allowing Miles/Fedde to tank that momentum perhaps we’d still be in it….so this rebuilding is largely all about the EFFORT of BDW/FO

[Ozziesfan41]

Not at all what I was hoping for. Bohm looks ok but he's in A+ ball.

So the most tradeable piece returned some A ball maybees
What the point of this
Salary dump??

Doesn’t seem like you know what a salary dump is.

Doesn’t it?? Please explain it for me would ya

A salary dump is motivated by dumping salary.

They traded Helsley to add to the farm system before he goes to free agency.

But if they don’t receive much of anything in return…..TBD…..what’s the motivating factor? One could hypothesize 2+ mil AND easier not to re-sign if hes already gone…..yes dumping salary….

They wouldn’t have got anything if they kept him other than spending two more million. They weren’t ever going to him QO people that thought they were like Mel were wrong the cardinals were never going to risk paying a reliever 21 million it wasn’t going to happen. Trading him was the smart thing people that thought they were going to trade him for top 50 MLB prospects or a top 5 teams prospect were delusional Wasn’t ever going to happen. I don’t know if the prospects will turn out good or ever sniff the majors but trading him was the smart thing to do I just wish they had done it in the offseason when his value was at its peak

[Cusecards]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Spot on Quincy!
Thank you......my God these people are WAY more depressing than watching the team just lose 2-0!
LOL

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps he would get multi year offer…..you don’t know. What’s the best draft position?

[Red Bird Classic]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Are we rebuilding again next season?? Do you know when we transition to not rebuilding?
Up until a month ago we were in the race….if some moves were made and perhaps not allowing Miles/Fedde to tank that momentum perhaps we’d still be in it….so this rebuilding is largely all about the EFFORT of BDW/FO

In the race for what? This never was a WS team. At best, they might have made a wild Card game. At worst they spend a lot of money, acquire short-term help that leaves the team worse next year.

No Thanks. The team is rebuilding. Helsley was superfluous.

[Cusecards]

So the most tradeable piece returned some A ball maybees
What the point of this
Salary dump??

Doesn’t seem like you know what a salary dump is.

Doesn’t it?? Please explain it for me would ya

A salary dump is motivated by dumping salary.

They traded Helsley to add to the farm system before he goes to free agency.

But if they don’t receive much of anything in return…..TBD…..what’s the motivating factor? One could hypothesize 2+ mil AND easier not to re-sign if hes already gone…..yes dumping salary….

There is no hope for you. Go ahead and call it a kumquat.

Your six word first sentence says it all!!! LOL

Cuse buddy……and I thought we had a truce….
And if I give you the business for being a wiseaker……you’ll start crying

I didn’t post to YOU.
I commented to ANOTHER poster on his post.
I thought that was the purpose of a talk forum?
And you of all people mentioning “crying” makes my day!

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

Yes I believe that is the stipulation.
What is your point.....assuming you actually have one other than whining???

Well if they only received back minor league fill, then keeping RH if he accepted QO or receiving draft pick would seem the better way to go.

If that is your opinion fine....SMH

[Quincy Varnish]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Are we rebuilding again next season??

Yes.

Do you know when we transition to not rebuilding?

They’ll stop rebuilding when they have a core worth building around.

Up until a month ago we were in the race….if some moves were made and perhaps not allowing Miles/Fedde to tank that momentum perhaps we’d still be in it….so this rebuilding is largely all about the EFFORT of BDW/FO

Replacing [shirt]ty pitchers with other [shirt]ty pitchers still leaves you with [shirt]ty pitchers.

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Spot on Quincy!
Thank you......my God these people are WAY more depressing than watching the team just lose 2-0!
LOL

Oh I don’t know ….. they gave A. Miller 14mil/yr for 3 yrs being a washed up lefty setup man….but 20 mil for All-star closer 6-7yrs later is so crazy??

[Clubmaker2]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Are we rebuilding again next season?? Do you know when we transition to not rebuilding?
Up until a month ago we were in the race….if some moves were made and perhaps not allowing Miles/Fedde to tank that momentum perhaps we’d still be in it….so this rebuilding is largely all about the EFFORT of BDW/FO

Yes you are. 101 talking about D Goold. Saying Goold said it would be a quiet offseason for the cardinals. And, they said Goold said if they could get a taker for Sonny G, they would do it. Ok,, that means they would have zero starting pitching but Libs. So, yea, looks like payroll cuts and mailing it in until after the CBA, at best.

[Ozziesfan41]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps he would get multi year offer…..you don’t know. What’s the best draft position?

So you’re against rebuilding but for offering him QO which best case scenario he turns down and you get a draft pick you don’t draft until next year then will be 3-4 years away? Which is a lot further away than the prospects they got in the trade lol that makes no sense

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Spot on Quincy!
Thank you......my God these people are WAY more depressing than watching the team just lose 2-0!
LOL

Cuse….how are ALL those prospects we received for 2 SP and 2 of our top relievers a couple years back??

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps he would get multi year offer…..you don’t know. What’s the best draft position?

So you’re against rebuilding but for offering him QO which best case scenario he turns down and you get a draft pick you don’t draft until next year then will be 3-4 years away? Which is a lot further away than the prospects they got in the trade lol that makes no sense

Ozzie, I just see ALOT of similarities from a couple years ago…..middling prospects….full of HOPE …..who are still in minors giving us HOPE

[Cusecards]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Spot on Quincy!
Thank you......my God these people are WAY more depressing than watching the team just lose 2-0!
LOL

Oh I don’t know ….. they gave A. Miller 14mil/yr for 3 yrs being a washed up lefty setup man….but 20 mil for All-star closer 6-7yrs later is so crazy??

I think you need to NOW address all the OTHER posters who disagreed with you!
Have a nice night!

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Are we rebuilding again next season?? Do you know when we transition to not rebuilding?
Up until a month ago we were in the race….if some moves were made and perhaps not allowing Miles/Fedde to tank that momentum perhaps we’d still be in it….so this rebuilding is largely all about the EFFORT of BDW/FO

Yes you are. 101 talking about D Goold. Saying Goold said it would be a quiet offseason for the cardinals. And, they said Goold said if they could get a taker for Sonny G, they would do it. Ok,, that means they would have zero starting pitching but Libs. So, yea, looks like payroll cuts and mailing it in until after the CBA, at best.

So under 10K butts in seats for ‘26??

[Ozziesfan41]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps he would get multi year offer…..you don’t know. What’s the best draft position?

So you’re against rebuilding but for offering him QO which best case scenario he turns down and you get a draft pick you don’t draft until next year then will be 3-4 years away? Which is a lot further away than the prospects they got in the trade lol that makes no sense

Ozzie, I just see ALOT of similarities from a couple years ago…..middling prospects….full of HOPE …..who are still in minors giving us HOPE

So you actually thought if they kept helsley they would be a good enough team to make the post season this season or next season if he accepts the QO? This team isn’t even close to being a post season threat and you are advocating hope and prayer. I hated that mentality from Mo just hope and pray the cardinals are good if they had rebuilt when they should have they would have been good again by now but mo never went in to win or went in on a rebuild just sustained mediocrity and hoping and praying for success that’s exactly what keeping helsley would have been. For someone who doesn’t like mo you are advocating for a mo type move

[Goldfan]

I ask both you and Quinc
If Cards had extended a QO to Helsley would they receive a draft pick if he signed elsewhere?

The QO will be $20M+ and the Cards would have been idiots to offer it. Helsley would have accepted, and the Cardinals would again look like idiots having an $20M+ closer on a rebuilding team.

Perhaps he would get multi year offer…..you don’t know. What’s the best draft position?

So you’re against rebuilding but for offering him QO which best case scenario he turns down and you get a draft pick you don’t draft until next year then will be 3-4 years away? Which is a lot further away than the prospects they got in the trade lol that makes no sense

Ozzie, I just see ALOT of similarities from a couple years ago…..middling prospects….full of HOPE …..who are still in minors giving us HOPE

So you actually thought if they kept helsley they would be a good enough team to make the post season this season or next season if he accepts the QO? This team isn’t even close to being a post season threat and you are advocating hope and prayer. I hated that mentality from Mo just hope and pray the cardinals are good if they had rebuilt when they should have they would have been good again by now but mo never went in to win or went in on a rebuild just sustained mediocrity and hoping and praying for success that’s exactly what keeping helsley would have been. For someone who doesn’t like mo you are advocating for a mo type move

Removing talent for this “rebuild” is interesting…..Are they rebuilding this year? What exactly have they done? We were supposed to see if young guys could play? Most of those young guys look exactly how they looked before this season. So what’s the plan now? Another year to blossom? I see no plan here. Middling A prospects isn’t a rebuild. The minor league filler received a couple years ago isn’t a rebuild. Receiving a top young prospect or young ML player is a rebuild, but I don’t see that. The only positive is drafting JJ. So if this is a tank job for years to draft high then get on with it. But I see no rebuilding yet