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Re: Jackson Holliday

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2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:35 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:02 pm Would like to see Bloom acquire this kid if the ask isn't outrageous. Put him at 3b.
What is outrageous?
Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:35 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:02 pm Would like to see Bloom acquire this kid if the ask isn't outrageous. Put him at 3b.
What is outrageous?
Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 16:02 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:35 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:02 pm Would like to see Bloom acquire this kid if the ask isn't outrageous. Put him at 3b.
What is outrageous?
Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
That's two big arms and a future organizational catcher. Bet Baltimore would be intrigued but yeah, I'd not want to give up all that.
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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C-Unit wrote: 01 Aug 2026 19:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 16:02 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:35 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:02 pm Would like to see Bloom acquire this kid if the ask isn't outrageous. Put him at 3b.
What is outrageous?
Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
That's two big arms and a future organizational catcher. Bet Baltimore would be intrigued but yeah, I'd not want to give up all that.
I'd might do Baez and Cijntje. But that's it. Walk away.

They have Basallo signed for 8 years. Our catchers are meaningless to them long term. They have a short term need due to injury.
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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RunSup wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:51 pm
C-Unit wrote: 01 Aug 2026 19:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 16:02 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:35 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:02 pm Would like to see Bloom acquire this kid if the ask isn't outrageous. Put him at 3b.
What is outrageous?
Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
That's two big arms and a future organizational catcher. Bet Baltimore would be intrigued but yeah, I'd not want to give up all that.
I'd might do Baez and Cijntje. But that's it. Walk away.

They have Basallo signed for 8 years. Our catchers are meaningless to them long term. They have a short term need due to injury.
I wouldn’t do that.

I wish JH all the success, but he’s in season 3 and his mlb career has been a bit of a mess.

Can he be like JJ? Maybe. But he hasn’t.

The team needs pitching and OFers. I would keep those guys.
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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ecleme22 wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:59 pm
RunSup wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:51 pm
C-Unit wrote: 01 Aug 2026 19:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 16:02 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:35 pm

What is outrageous?
Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
That's two big arms and a future organizational catcher. Bet Baltimore would be intrigued but yeah, I'd not want to give up all that.
I'd might do Baez and Cijntje. But that's it. Walk away.

They have Basallo signed for 8 years. Our catchers are meaningless to them long term. They have a short term need due to injury.
I wouldn’t do that.

I wish JH all the success, but he’s in season 3 and his mlb career has been a bit of a mess.

Can he be like JJ? Maybe. But he hasn’t.

The team needs pitching and OFers. I would keep those guys.
I personally dont think Cijntje's switch pitching is all that and he has a long way to go. Selling high on him.
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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RunSup wrote: 01 Aug 2026 22:34 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:59 pm
RunSup wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:51 pm
C-Unit wrote: 01 Aug 2026 19:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 16:02 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:38 pm

Great question. Obvious answers are Wetherholt and Walker. But I would include Bernal, Rodriguez, Doyle, and Matthews to the list.
That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
That's two big arms and a future organizational catcher. Bet Baltimore would be intrigued but yeah, I'd not want to give up all that.
I'd might do Baez and Cijntje. But that's it. Walk away.

They have Basallo signed for 8 years. Our catchers are meaningless to them long term. They have a short term need due to injury.
I wouldn’t do that.

I wish JH all the success, but he’s in season 3 and his mlb career has been a bit of a mess.

Can he be like JJ? Maybe. But he hasn’t.

The team needs pitching and OFers. I would keep those guys.
I personally dont think Cijntje's switch pitching is all that and he has a long way to go. Selling high on him.
The cards know more than us, so if he’s traded, then there you go.

But I think he can be solid as a reliever or a starter. As a switch pitcher? Maybe not.

But I’m still high on him as a positive contributor, at least like a Gallegos
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Re: Jackson Holliday

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ecleme22 wrote: 01 Aug 2026 22:39 pm
RunSup wrote: 01 Aug 2026 22:34 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:59 pm
RunSup wrote: 01 Aug 2026 21:51 pm
C-Unit wrote: 01 Aug 2026 19:57 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 16:02 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:47 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:23 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Aug 2026 15:06 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:32 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 01 Aug 2026 14:01 pm
2ninr wrote: 01 Aug 2026 13:43 pm

That's what it would take. At least. We were just having a discussion. I don't think Baez gets it done. So yes, it's outrageous.
What do you consider a fair & doable trade?
I don't think there's a trade to be made there. It's just talk. That was part of the discussion. Teams are really hesitant to trade their organizational crown jewels. It's like saying we were wrong about this guy before we actually know we were wrong. Holiday may become a hof player. Baez might hit 500 hrs. Gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em. Can't fold before you've even seen your hand. But it's fun musing about it.
Would you trade Bernal and say a Lin-type pitcher?
That wouldn't be near enough. It's not even worth talking about. Baltimore is fishing.
Bernal, Pallante, and Cjintje?
Bernal Doyle and Cjintje is btv value but Baltimore won't do that. Neither would the Cardinals.
That's two big arms and a future organizational catcher. Bet Baltimore would be intrigued but yeah, I'd not want to give up all that.
I'd might do Baez and Cijntje. But that's it. Walk away.

They have Basallo signed for 8 years. Our catchers are meaningless to them long term. They have a short term need due to injury.
I wouldn’t do that.

I wish JH all the success, but he’s in season 3 and his mlb career has been a bit of a mess.

Can he be like JJ? Maybe. But he hasn’t.

The team needs pitching and OFers. I would keep those guys.
I personally dont think Cijntje's switch pitching is all that and he has a long way to go. Selling high on him.
The cards know more than us, so if he’s traded, then there you go.

But I think he can be solid as a reliever or a starter. As a switch pitcher? Maybe not.

But I’m still high on him as a positive contributor, at least like a Gallegos
We definitely need good relievers. Yes sure, I'll let the Cardinals development experts figure him out. Just seems like wasting time having him switch pitch

Holiday is a pipe dream anyway.