craviduce wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 12:17 pm
you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.
I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.
But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win
The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.
What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention
Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?
How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team
I will give it a listen. You didn’t answer, though. Do you personally believe the Cardinals have went cold because of trade rumors?
It’s a combination of Oli not knowing how to sustain a winning team through season
And
Young guys letting down whether consciously or not because they’re well aware the FO is selling no matter what they do and these words came directly from Winns mouth.
craviduce wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 12:17 pm
you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.
I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.
But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win
The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.
What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention
Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?
How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team
Trade rumors surround every team at the trade deadline yet the cardinals are the only ones who collapse because of them lol and what happened tonight? Did they forget about the trade rumors? Looked like they didn’t give up and kept working yep must have forgot the trade rumors lol just dumb stuff
Name me one team in the history of MLB while still in contention was selling…….I’ll be waiting.
craviduce wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 12:17 pm
you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.
I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.
But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win
The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.
What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention
Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?
How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team
Trade rumors surround every team at the trade deadline yet the cardinals are the only ones who collapse because of them lol and what happened tonight? Did they forget about the trade rumors? Looked like they didn’t give up and kept working yep must have forgot the trade rumors lol just dumb stuff
Name me one team in the history of MLB while still in contention was selling…….I’ll be waiting.
craviduce wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 12:17 pm
you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.
I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.
But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win
The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.
What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention
Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?
How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team
Trade rumors surround every team at the trade deadline yet the cardinals are the only ones who collapse because of them lol and what happened tonight? Did they forget about the trade rumors? Looked like they didn’t give up and kept working yep must have forgot the trade rumors lol just dumb stuff
Name me one team in the history of MLB while still in contention was selling…….I’ll be waiting.
1997 Chicago White Sox.
The notorious “White Flag” trade…….sounds about right.
craviduce wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 12:17 pm
you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.
I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.
But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win
The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.
What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention
Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?
How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team
Trade rumors surround every team at the trade deadline yet the cardinals are the only ones who collapse because of them lol and what happened tonight? Did they forget about the trade rumors? Looked like they didn’t give up and kept working yep must have forgot the trade rumors lol just dumb stuff
Name me one team in the history of MLB while still in contention was selling…….I’ll be waiting.
1997 Chicago White Sox.
The notorious “White Flag” trade…….sounds about right.
A lot of teams on the periphery have been smart and sold the brewers traded their closer while in contention in 2021 and turned the trade into Contreras
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 11:21 am
“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic
Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three
In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”
The next competitive Bloom WINDOW
I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???
They want to win. I believe that. But they want to do it with a barebones cheap roster. That's the real problem. He they are trying to construct a competitive roster on the cheap and it never really works.Cincy and Pit have been doing this dance for decades. They get one little window of a couple of years to make the playoffs maybe and then it's all over again for years. It's sickening that one of the crown jewels of the National League would subject their fan base to this philosophy. Teams that spend money win consistently. Teams that don't have to live on a prayer.
Yea the Mets angels padres spend consistently and have a lot of trophies and teams like the rays and brewers who don’t win nothing can’t even make the post season
It matters where you spend the money as much as how much you spend. The Angels have wasted Mike Trout and Pujols because they didn't invest properly in pitching. Same with the mets. I can't speak to why San Diego hasn't won other than the division they reside. As for the Rays and Brewers, well, how many championships do they have?
Goldfan you’re spot on. Two weeks ago we were leading the WC. Now we’re only 2.5 games back. It doesn’t matter how you get into the playoffs but it does matter that you get in. Walker and or Wetherholt and any of those pitching prospects could be injured by or during 2028.
We should be spending some of the money saved to make a good sprint to the finish line. I don’t have a problem trading for the long term plan and sticking to that but it should be in conjunction with trying to win this year. To many fans on card talk like to give up, especially after a slump. We have a young team that can improve quickly. The slump will end. Maybe tonight was the start of something good.
What I hope happens is that the cards make reasonable offers to guys like May for a longer commitment and if he doesn’t accept then trade him for someone who is more likely to with similar upside.
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 11:21 am
“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic
Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three
In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”
The next competitive Bloom WINDOW
I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???
Do you have a link to the quotes so I can read the whole story?
Thank you
I asked GF for a link in another GF gloom and doom thread earlier today. GF is not giving them up. Just "summarizing".
Cusecards wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 15:07 pm
Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!
Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28……. It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???
And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!
So's your spelling.
Yeah, I wouldn’t get too caught up in my spelling and punctuation here. Ain’t writing a book or taking an ENGLISH final
The point, which I have no doubt was lost on you, is that calling someone else comical when you can't even spell the word.
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 11:21 am
“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic
Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three
In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”
The next competitive Bloom WINDOW
I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???
Do you have a link to the quotes so I can read the whole story?
Thank you
I asked GF for a link in another GF gloom and doom thread earlier today. GF is not giving them up. Just "summarizing".
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 11:21 am
“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic
Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three
In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”
The next competitive Bloom WINDOW
I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???
Do you have a link to the quotes so I can read the whole story?
Thank you
I asked GF for a link in another GF gloom and doom thread earlier today. GF is not giving them up. Just "summarizing".
Ok. That’s why I like to read the whole quote.
welcome to CT brockfast.
what a great handle, since Brock was very fast.
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 11:21 am
“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic
Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three
In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”
The next competitive Bloom WINDOW
I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???
Do you have a link to the quotes so I can read the whole story?
Thank you
I asked GF for a link in another GF gloom and doom thread earlier today. GF is not giving them up. Just "summarizing".
Ok. That’s why I like to read the whole quote.
welcome to CT brockfast.
what a great handle, since Brock was very fast.
I moved away from the area when I was young. Like young young. Now that I’ve returned on my own a grown man of 24 I decided to start following the Cardinals again. Thanks for the welcome.
Goldfan wrote: ↑29 Jul 2026 11:21 am
“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic
Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three
In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”
The next competitive Bloom WINDOW
I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???
Do you have a link to the quotes so I can read the whole story?
Thank you
I asked GF for a link in another GF gloom and doom thread earlier today. GF is not giving them up. Just "summarizing".
Ok. That’s why I like to read the whole quote.
welcome to CT brockfast.
what a great handle, since Brock was very fast.
Should’ve put this in my last reply. The name Brock fast. I was trying to think of a name when I was eating my breakfast and it just turned into Brockfast. Good names are hard to come by.
Some of those ETAs are just laughable. Obviously Mathews was correct. Cjintje just got promoted to AAA, but hasn't done much. No way he sees the big leagues this year. No way he starts with the club in 2027. Maybe he makes it later in the year. Doyle maybe starts in Memphis next year, he has some chance of getting up late in the year, but I don't rate it too high. Clarke is pitching in A ball. He is likely 2029. Fajardo is pitching in A ball, 2029. Franklin is pitching in A ball 2029. Pitchers are rarely great there first year or 2 in the MLs. The Cards pitching and hitting windows are not lining up right now.
