Finally…..THE PLAN

[ForumPolice]

Not sure I love the plan.

Hearing 2028 is depressing. We have so much money we could spend in the off season and the team doesn’t have that many holes to fill. Geez, if we had a good bullpen this year than we’d be in a much different place right now. Let alone an ace to replace our fallen ace (Libby)

Am I the only one that wishes Pujols or Molina was managing this team? Oli seems like a great guy and I say, promote him to GM. To me, he doesn’t have the winner mentality that Pujols and Molina have. Both of those guys could be our modern day Yogi Berra. I just don’t see how we give up on trying to make the playoffs this year. You can plan long term and still go for it each year. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Especially knowing how much money we aren’t spending.

A couple simple things that could change things. Move Lars up in the order. Batting Walker 2nd isn’t as ideal as having men on base when he’s up.

1.Weatherholt
2. Herrera (C)
3. Nootbaar
4. Walker
5. Burleson
6. Velazquez (DH),
7. Church / Torres
8. Jordan
9. Winn

Put Liberatore in the pen. Call up Matthew’s. Go get a pitcher at the deadline for the rotation and some bullpen arms. Wacha, Alcantara, Ryan, Etc would be amazing here.

Trade away, Pages and either Crooks or Bernal. Should probably try to move Church too.

2028 isn't that far away considering there will be no MLB played in 2027

[scoutyjones2]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

[butsir01]

“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic

Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three

In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”

The next competitive Bloom WINDOW

I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???

They want to win. I believe that. But they want to do it with a barebones cheap roster. That's the real problem. He they are trying to construct a competitive roster on the cheap and it never really works.Cincy and Pit have been doing this dance for decades. They get one little window of a couple of years to make the playoffs maybe and then it's all over again for years. It's sickening that one of the crown jewels of the National League would subject their fan base to this philosophy. Teams that spend money win consistently. Teams that don't have to live on a prayer.

Amen!

[Goldfan]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention

[Goldfan]

“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic

Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three

In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”

The next competitive Bloom WINDOW

I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???

They want to win. I believe that. But they want to do it with a barebones cheap roster. That's the real problem. He they are trying to construct a competitive roster on the cheap and it never really works.Cincy and Pit have been doing this dance for decades. They get one little window of a couple of years to make the playoffs maybe and then it's all over again for years. It's sickening that one of the crown jewels of the National League would subject their fan base to this philosophy. Teams that spend money win consistently. Teams that don't have to live on a prayer.

Amen!

Exactly, been saying this since offseason. Cut the slugs off roster and there’s a young core. With JW emerging there the power bat. If they just kept WC and Gray they’re fighting for division. BDW won’t spend $$ to win now.

[Ozziesfan41]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention

You do know that’s speculation from people who have to report something. There hasn’t been one credible rumor lol you’re so gullible lol I mean you believe everything sports journalists say just so they can get content speculation is not fact just so u know

[JuanAgosto]

Not sure I love the plan.

Hearing 2028 is depressing. We have so much money we could spend in the off season and the team doesn’t have that many holes to fill. Geez, if we had a good bullpen this year than we’d be in a much different place right now. Let alone an ace to replace our fallen ace (Libby)

Am I the only one that wishes Pujols or Molina was managing this team? Oli seems like a great guy and I say, promote him to GM. To me, he doesn’t have the winner mentality that Pujols and Molina have. Both of those guys could be our modern day Yogi Berra. I just don’t see how we give up on trying to make the playoffs this year. You can plan long term and still go for it each year. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Especially knowing how much money we aren’t spending.

A couple simple things that could change things. Move Lars up in the order. Batting Walker 2nd isn’t as ideal as having men on base when he’s up.

1.Weatherholt
2. Herrera (C)
3. Nootbaar
4. Walker
5. Burleson
6. Velazquez (DH),
7. Church / Torres
8. Jordan
9. Winn

Put Liberatore in the pen. Call up Matthew’s. Go get a pitcher at the deadline for the rotation and some bullpen arms. Wacha, Alcantara, Ryan, Etc would be amazing here.

Trade away, Pages and either Crooks or Bernal. Should probably try to move Church too.

2028 isn't that far away considering there will be no MLB played in 2027

2028 is just what the organization is throwing out there to pacify fans. Anyone who thinks DeWitt is suddenly spending big starting in 2028, is fooling themselves. He is a master at moving the goal posts. Remember the big FSM TV deal back 15 years ago? That was going to allow the Cardinals to make big moves. What FA splash did DeWitt make?

[Goldfan]

Not sure I love the plan.

Hearing 2028 is depressing. We have so much money we could spend in the off season and the team doesn’t have that many holes to fill. Geez, if we had a good bullpen this year than we’d be in a much different place right now. Let alone an ace to replace our fallen ace (Libby)

Am I the only one that wishes Pujols or Molina was managing this team? Oli seems like a great guy and I say, promote him to GM. To me, he doesn’t have the winner mentality that Pujols and Molina have. Both of those guys could be our modern day Yogi Berra. I just don’t see how we give up on trying to make the playoffs this year. You can plan long term and still go for it each year. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Especially knowing how much money we aren’t spending.

A couple simple things that could change things. Move Lars up in the order. Batting Walker 2nd isn’t as ideal as having men on base when he’s up.

1.Weatherholt
2. Herrera (C)
3. Nootbaar
4. Walker
5. Burleson
6. Velazquez (DH),
7. Church / Torres
8. Jordan
9. Winn

Put Liberatore in the pen. Call up Matthew’s. Go get a pitcher at the deadline for the rotation and some bullpen arms. Wacha, Alcantara, Ryan, Etc would be amazing here.

Trade away, Pages and either Crooks or Bernal. Should probably try to move Church too.

2028 isn't that far away considering there will be no MLB played in 2027

2028 is just what the organization is throwing out there to pacify fans. Anyone who thinks DeWitt is suddenly spending big starting in 2028, is fooling themselves. He is a master at moving the goal posts. Remember the big FSM TV deal back 15 years ago? That was going to allow the Cardinals to make big moves. What FA splash did DeWitt make?

Don’t forget all the large terrible contracts rolling off at the end of each season with ALL the $$$ available for the offseason
Or the dry powder for in season acquisitions…….oh good ole days.
Now its just wait til 20XX for BDW to spend

[OldRed]

From the daily lineups I see no plan.

[butsir01]

From the daily lineups I see no plan.

Red, I agree. I just do not see how our roster can be a serious WS contender, even by 2028. We lack talent frontline and in depth. Where is the talent going to come from? I do not believe that ownership will spend to acquire it.

[Goldfan]

From the daily lineups I see no plan.

Here it is Red
We aren’t going to win so we keep the chitty manager
We aren’t going to spend money because we aren’t going to win
At some point when most here are dead ….all these prospects will emerge and dominate MLB and then BDW might spend $$ and find a real manager
If you don’t agree with this you’re an idiot. Now don’t get all wrapped up in the fact that this has never happened in the history of Cards Baseball, that BDW hasn’t had a winning plan in 15yrs and that Bloom has never won anything.

[JuanAgosto]

Not sure I love the plan.

Hearing 2028 is depressing. We have so much money we could spend in the off season and the team doesn’t have that many holes to fill. Geez, if we had a good bullpen this year than we’d be in a much different place right now. Let alone an ace to replace our fallen ace (Libby)

Am I the only one that wishes Pujols or Molina was managing this team? Oli seems like a great guy and I say, promote him to GM. To me, he doesn’t have the winner mentality that Pujols and Molina have. Both of those guys could be our modern day Yogi Berra. I just don’t see how we give up on trying to make the playoffs this year. You can plan long term and still go for it each year. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Especially knowing how much money we aren’t spending.

A couple simple things that could change things. Move Lars up in the order. Batting Walker 2nd isn’t as ideal as having men on base when he’s up.

1.Weatherholt
2. Herrera (C)
3. Nootbaar
4. Walker
5. Burleson
6. Velazquez (DH),
7. Church / Torres
8. Jordan
9. Winn

Put Liberatore in the pen. Call up Matthew’s. Go get a pitcher at the deadline for the rotation and some bullpen arms. Wacha, Alcantara, Ryan, Etc would be amazing here.

Trade away, Pages and either Crooks or Bernal. Should probably try to move Church too.

2028 isn't that far away considering there will be no MLB played in 2027

2028 is just what the organization is throwing out there to pacify fans. Anyone who thinks DeWitt is suddenly spending big starting in 2028, is fooling themselves. He is a master at moving the goal posts. Remember the big FSM TV deal back 15 years ago? That was going to allow the Cardinals to make big moves. What FA splash did DeWitt make?

Don’t forget all the large terrible contracts rolling off at the end of each season with ALL the $$$ available for the offseason
Or the dry powder for in season acquisitions…….oh good ole days.
Now its just wait til 20XX for BDW to spend

The good ol "in season acquisition" that always turned into "we will wait to make moves over the winter." And then it would be "let's see what we need at the deadline. "

So sorry if I dont believe the DeWitts are looking to spend. Ever.

[JohnnyMO]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention

Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?

[Goldfan]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention

Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?

https://x.com/101espn/status/2082629977976021339?s=20

How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team

[JohnnyMO]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention

Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?

https://x.com/101espn/status/2082629977976021339?s=20

How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team

I will give it a listen. You didn’t answer, though. Do you personally believe the Cardinals have went cold because of trade rumors?

[Ozziesfan41]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I’m certain the Mets(45-62) PLAN was to win this season………
Been watching MLB for 50yrs……you don’t sabotage a season where you ARE WINNING so that in 2-3 yrs when you say you will start winning
It don’t work like that.

But somehow the Great DeWitt has convinced you SMART baseball people exactly that. While he pay LOW payroll for 3-4 yrs
He could win this year but won’t pay…..he could win next year but won’t pay…..But 2028 with players no one knows how they’ll do in MLB…..that’s the time to win

The Cards aren't sabotaging...that's your faulty premise's building block.

What would a normal MLB team or even the Cards of years back do in the weeks up to the trade deadline leading the WC?
Talk about trading starters from that team and start dropping stories to media of the players who might go???
Honest answers only
The in last couple weeks stories about
Winn
Herrera
Burly
May
Stanek
JoJo
O’Brien
Pages have all Been circulating when the team was either leading the WC or well within contention

Let me make sure I understand your point. The team started sucking because of trade rumors?

https://x.com/101espn/status/2082629977976021339?s=20

How about you listen to 3 of longest most respected STL sports personalities who have made their livelihood covering this team for decades if you just think its me with crazy thoughts about this team

Trade rumors surround every team at the trade deadline yet the cardinals are the only ones who collapse because of them lol and what happened tonight? Did they forget about the trade rumors? Looked like they didn’t give up and kept working yep must have forgot the trade rumors lol just dumb stuff