Finally…..THE PLAN

[Ozziesfan41]

“The plan” is for the #STLCards to trade Dustin May and Ryne Stanek at the deadline, according to The Athletic

Additionally, they will “explore interest” in Lars Nootbaar, Riley O’Brien and JoJo Romero. However, the club doesn’t feel pressure to trade any of the three

In return, they want “meaningful pieces” that fit Chaim Bloom’s timeline, which points to 2028 as the next competitive window”

The next competitive Bloom WINDOW

I mean what another couple years……’23-‘28…..that’s only 5 yrs of chit baseball. ‘28 will only be 17yrs since last WS win
Does ‘28 mean attempting to finally win or REALLY WINNING ???

They want to win. I believe that. But they want to do it with a barebones cheap roster. That's the real problem. He they are trying to construct a competitive roster on the cheap and it never really works.Cincy and Pit have been doing this dance for decades. They get one little window of a couple of years to make the playoffs maybe and then it's all over again for years. It's sickening that one of the crown jewels of the National League would subject their fan base to this philosophy. Teams that spend money win consistently. Teams that don't have to live on a prayer.

Yea the Mets angels padres spend consistently and have a lot of trophies and teams like the rays and brewers who don’t win nothing can’t even make the post season

[mattmitchl44]

you're finally acknowledging that they had this plan all along? We've tried pounding that into your head for well over 9 months now.

I mean does GF even read threads or does he just b eee tch?

A bunch of us have been laying out the same players to trade w/the same time frame for many months.

C'mon GF, you know the plan.

I think y’all conveniently leave out the part where no one thought they would be. Leading the WC. Was that in the plan??? Who had that in the PLAN before the season? Please step forward. So the maybe you adapt the plan because the TEAM was beating the top of league. They were 1st in WC. As the Mets didn’t think they would be in last and are now selling….the Cards didnt think they would be 1st in WC so perhaps you dont let this young group on the vine and tell them to wait at least 2 more years. H

they played above their pay grade for 1 whole month...April. We're thrilled by that at the time, we're still thrilled by that. We haven't played over .500 ball since April.

you have a plan, if you play better than expected...great, but it wasn't expected to be sustainable...and guess what....it hasn't been sustainable...it's been 3 months since April...we're staying the course.

No one in their right mind makes trades to sustain something in April...you stay the course.

You've beaten better dead horses than this, GoldFan....now you're trying to look stupid. Pick a better dead horse.

Yep - they played above their heads for a while, largely due to winning an inordinate number of one run games early in the season, and now they are regressing to their mean talent level.

Their "1st WC" was never going to be sustainable for the season.

[Goldfan]

What was THE ‘25 PLAN
Youth Runway….but we can’t tell vets to leave so we’ll just keep them around….benefit of the ‘25 PLAN>>>>>NOTHING

What is THE ‘26 PLAN
Youth will REALLY play this year……we told those vets to really leave by paying them 1mil….youth wins first part of year….we’re trading starters…
What will you get for May, Stanek….maybe Noot….not much….benefit of the ‘26 PLAN>>>>>NOT MUCH

What is THE ‘27 PLAN…….no winning or spending this season….benefit of ‘27 PLAN>>>>????

[Cusecards]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

[Goldfan]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

[JohnnyMO]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

I'm not loyal to DeWitt at all. Wish he'd sell. I'm convinced you are a dimwit, though.

[Cusecards]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

Hey now....
1) I gave you full credit for another Classic thread!
2) “yall”?????
3) Your command of the English Language aside you might want to check out local Night School Courses?
I’d go with English As A Second Language.

[Goldfan]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

I'm not loyal to DeWitt at all. Wish he'd sell. I'm convinced you are a dimwit, though.

I’d just like to know why all this unquestioning vigorous defense loyalty for 1 guy who led this team to the dumpster and now went cheap and another guy who has never won and was fired in Boston??? And they want fans to take more losing for multiple seasons. And all are agreeable.

[Goldfan]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

Hey now....
1) I gave you full credit for another Classic thread!
2) “yall”?????
3) Your command of the English Language aside you might want to check out local Night School Courses?
I’d go with English As A Second Language.

Cuse….hears another glas of KOOOLAID

[Cusecards]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

Hey now....
1) I gave you full credit for another Classic thread!
2) “yall”?????
3) Your command of the English Language aside you might want to check out local Night School Courses?
I’d go with English As A Second Language.

Cuse….hears another glas of KOOOLAID

Thanks.....I like Koolaid!
Not sure what a “glas” is but ok?
And I think you meant HERE’S???

BTW....I’m having a bumper sticker made up personally for you:
“I Quit School When I Were 16...And Now I Are on Cards Talk”
My treat

[HighHeat23]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

So's your spelling.

[Carp4Cy]

https://x.com/101espn/status/2082473978589835721?s=20

Alternative view to THE PLAN

How old is that? I knew bowden was dumb and pretty worthless to listen to but if he said that after the stretch the cardinals have then hes getting more dumb as he gets older

Talked with 101.1 the last couple days.

Wow thats impressively dumb even for bowden

I know…..you want to lose….for at least a couple more years…..then we can win

You realize that they could win even if they trade some players away, right?

The players they could trade:

Dustin May: 5-7 4.59 ERA
Stanek: 4.46 ERA
Herrera: .739 OPS
Nootbaar: .719 OPS
Replace Libby in the rotation

Those aren’t world beating numbers.

And I don’t know how you can look at the Cardinals roster right now and truly think they could be a contender.

How? By replacing all the expired payroll from the past 5 years. You have to build it first so they will come.

Goldy
Nado
Pujols DH
Yadi/Willson
Wainwright/Gray
Mikolas (not that he was worth it but still $$$)
various bullpen pieces including Matz
Helsley at Arb rates

That's a lot of salary that we "can" afford as recent history shows. Bring those level of players back in along with keeping the right core and adding in our top draft picks and we are immediate contenders next year.

Their current "core" isn't good enough to compete next year.

They still need to develop two, young, cost controlled, front of rotation SPs (McGreevy isn't one), and then probably spend to add a third.

What's your threshold then? Dobbins/Fitts? Or are they just B.O.R. filler?

Then there's a non-zero chance we manage to develop a very very good half of a lineup (Walker Burly JJW etc) and waste that accomplishment if we somehow fail to develop/select the right pitchers and they suddenly reach their primes in the next 2.5 years. Is Matthews somehow going to be one? Because we don't have a Skenes or even a Wacha in the system. Keep seeing Doyle is maybe bullpen bound. And most everyone else isn't close and isn't moving fast either.

They will need some of Doyle, Mathews, Franklin, Clarke, Cijntje, Fajardo, or others who they acquire by selling off now to develop into those FOR starters.

If you are going to have any chance at all against the Dodgers, Brewers, Braves, Phillies, Yankees, etc. in short postseason series, you need at least two and probably three real FOR SPs.

The Cardinals have a bunch of #3s to #5s, but no one to even begin to match up against a Misiorowski/Harrison, Sanchez/Luzardo/Wheeler, Yamamoto/Ohtani, Sale, etc.

Of that list, only Mis was drafted and developed by his current team. Not saying we don't need an Ace or two, but it might be permanently unrealistic to wait under we develop 2 legit aces in house to seriously spend elsewhere.

[cosmo.kramer]

What was THE ‘25 PLAN
Youth Runway….but we can’t tell vets to leave so we’ll just keep them around….benefit of the ‘25 PLAN>>>>>NOTHING

What is THE ‘26 PLAN
Youth will REALLY play this year……we told those vets to really leave by paying them 1mil….youth wins first part of year….we’re trading starters…
What will you get for May, Stanek….maybe Noot….not much….benefit of the ‘26 PLAN>>>>>NOT MUCH

What is THE ‘27 PLAN…….no winning or spending this season….benefit of ‘27 PLAN>>>>????

Moved on from Gorman
Moved on from Scott
Saw Walker breakout
Saw enough of JJ to extend him long term

Plenty more that the team has learned this season and the deadline deals will only add to the pipeline

May, Stanek, Romero, O'Brien, Nootbaar, Pages could all net some value

[Goldfan]

Another Classic thread for the Time Capsule!

Cuse I’m screen shotting……if this team isn’t winning in ‘28…….
It’s commical…..some nobody(GF) strays off the reservation(THE PLAN) and its daggers out
Jim Bowden voices same opinion……”he’s an idiot”……..
Man if this PLAN doesn’t work out…..what then???

And all this loyalty for an owner who lied for years, kept an incompetent fool running club, and now won’t spend money
The POBO has never won a thing in his baseball life and was fired from his last job but to deviate from this PLAN these 2 have shoved down your throats…..which consists of a lot of bad baseball and losing…..yall slurp it up. Bless you!!

So's your spelling.

Yeah, I wouldn’t get too caught up in my spelling and punctuation here. Ain’t writing a book or taking an ENGLISH final

[Goldfan]

What was THE ‘25 PLAN
Youth Runway….but we can’t tell vets to leave so we’ll just keep them around….benefit of the ‘25 PLAN>>>>>NOTHING

What is THE ‘26 PLAN
Youth will REALLY play this year……we told those vets to really leave by paying them 1mil….youth wins first part of year….we’re trading starters…
What will you get for May, Stanek….maybe Noot….not much….benefit of the ‘26 PLAN>>>>>NOT MUCH

What is THE ‘27 PLAN…….no winning or spending this season….benefit of ‘27 PLAN>>>>????

Moved on from Gorman
Moved on from Scott
Saw Walker breakout
Saw enough of JJ to extend him long term

Plenty more that the team has learned this season and the deadline deals will only add to the pipeline

May, Stanek, Romero, O'Brien, Nootbaar, Pages could all net some value

You think quality is returning for those you listed?

[cosmo.kramer]

What was THE ‘25 PLAN
Youth Runway….but we can’t tell vets to leave so we’ll just keep them around….benefit of the ‘25 PLAN>>>>>NOTHING

What is THE ‘26 PLAN
Youth will REALLY play this year……we told those vets to really leave by paying them 1mil….youth wins first part of year….we’re trading starters…
What will you get for May, Stanek….maybe Noot….not much….benefit of the ‘26 PLAN>>>>>NOT MUCH

What is THE ‘27 PLAN…….no winning or spending this season….benefit of ‘27 PLAN>>>>????

Moved on from Gorman
Moved on from Scott
Saw Walker breakout
Saw enough of JJ to extend him long term

Plenty more that the team has learned this season and the deadline deals will only add to the pipeline

May, Stanek, Romero, O'Brien, Nootbaar, Pages could all net some value

You think quality is returning for those you listed?

The players I listed have some value, yes