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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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The Marmol haters will be saying the exact same things about the new Manager, whenever that comes. You were saying the same things about TLR, Matheny and Shildt. Therefore, it doesn't matter who the Manager is, you will all feel the same way.

This team would not be much better or much worse with anyone else leading this team. Managers only matter in the playoffs. During the regular season, a team is only as good as the roster. A good Manager will not manage a bad team to the playoffs. Good teams can carry a bad Manager however.

Roster, roster, roster. That's the only thing that matters until October. Keep on complaining though. Fans bashing the Manager dates back to the beginning of baseball. It's about as dumb as believing a politician's campaign promises.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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Strummer Jones wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:03 pm
WeWentBlues0819 wrote: 27 Jul 2026 15:57 pm
Strummer Jones wrote: 27 Jul 2026 11:54 am Hard to blame Oli on the bullpen when there's probably only one pitcher in it that I truly trust. And O'Brien being consistently inconsistent.
Bullpen wouldn't be as big of an issue if he didn't due dumb[ash] things like use 7 pitchers in a blowout win.

He gassed literally everyone in the bullpen because of his OCD need to switch pitchers. He touches himself to micromanaging.

As anyone could have predicted, with a gassed BP that wasn't very good to start with, july and august were going to be rough.
Our bullpen was doomed from the start. Any bullpen that has Roycroft in it to begin the season is not a good bullpen.

They've been terrible since game 1/162. That's a fact.
The things aren't mutually exclusive.

The bullpen is bad and you have a mentally ill manager who is bound and determined to use as many of them as possible every single game.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:46 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
Yea I believed you saw it I questioned the accuracy of the information. I read on a little and someone else cleared it up. Jeff Jones is like Bernie. Take the accuracy of his information at your own risk. Thanks
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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WeWentBlues0819 wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:41 pm
Strummer Jones wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:03 pm
WeWentBlues0819 wrote: 27 Jul 2026 15:57 pm
Strummer Jones wrote: 27 Jul 2026 11:54 am Hard to blame Oli on the bullpen when there's probably only one pitcher in it that I truly trust. And O'Brien being consistently inconsistent.
Bullpen wouldn't be as big of an issue if he didn't due dumb[ash] things like use 7 pitchers in a blowout win.

He gassed literally everyone in the bullpen because of his OCD need to switch pitchers. He touches himself to micromanaging.

As anyone could have predicted, with a gassed BP that wasn't very good to start with, july and august were going to be rough.
Our bullpen was doomed from the start. Any bullpen that has Roycroft in it to begin the season is not a good bullpen.

They've been terrible since game 1/162. That's a fact.
The things aren't mutually exclusive.

The bullpen is bad and you have a mentally ill manager who is bound and determined to use as many of them as possible every single game.
Let me guess, you were one of the guys last year who wanted Marmol to burn those starters after four so the bullpen could get the last five innings? And then would've clutched all the pearls once they were toasted in June?
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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Melville wrote: 27 Jul 2026 08:05 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:27 pm He's here until Bloom think the team is ready to compete. He's a place holder to take the heat during the re-build. My guess is he is relieved of his duties after next season, assuming there is a next season.
Best take in the thread.
Nice post.
I would add that DeWitt is famously loyal.
It is why The Marmot was hired and why he is still here.
Same as Shildt.
And then Shildt got fired when he tried to be something more than a yes man.
The Marmot learned from that and intentionally chose to comply.
But Super Slo Mo is no longer around to protect him from failure and incompetence.
You are correct - Bloom will fire him once DeWitt permits it.
I doubt he gets fired. Like you said DeWitt is loyal. As long as Oli remains a good soldier, he'll be reassigned somewhere in the minors where I think he can do some good. Young players seem to respond to him.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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woofy25 wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:29 pm The Marmol haters will be saying the exact same things about the new Manager, whenever that comes. You were saying the same things about TLR, Matheny and Shildt. Therefore, it doesn't matter who the Manager is, you will all feel the same way.

This team would not be much better or much worse with anyone else leading this team. Managers only matter in the playoffs. During the regular season, a team is only as good as the roster. A good Manager will not manage a bad team to the playoffs. Good teams can carry a bad Manager however.

Roster, roster, roster. That's the only thing that matters until October. Keep on complaining though. Fans bashing the Manager dates back to the beginning of baseball. It's about as dumb as believing a politician's campaign promises.
So a manager can win 9inning BASEBALL GAMES in the postseason but not in the regular season. Please outline your logic. Do they receive special powers once the PS starts?
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 27 Jul 2026 17:15 pm
Melville wrote: 27 Jul 2026 08:05 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:27 pm He's here until Bloom think the team is ready to compete. He's a place holder to take the heat during the re-build. My guess is he is relieved of his duties after next season, assuming there is a next season.
Best take in the thread.
Nice post.
I would add that DeWitt is famously loyal.
It is why The Marmot was hired and why he is still here.
Same as Shildt.
And then Shildt got fired when he tried to be something more than a yes man.
The Marmot learned from that and intentionally chose to comply.
But Super Slo Mo is no longer around to protect him from failure and incompetence.
You are correct - Bloom will fire him once DeWitt permits it.
I doubt he gets fired. Like you said DeWitt is loyal. As long as Oli remains a good soldier, he'll be reassigned somewhere in the minors where I think he can do some good. Young players seem to respond to him.
Ummm... we have a team of young players. Oli will be here a minute.
Also, Shildt was fired because he was a total tool to his staff. See San Diego.
This has been documented despite the false narrative spewed on cards talk by #dooshville and #fraudrocko.
Carry on
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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riff raff wrote: 27 Jul 2026 17:53 pm
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 27 Jul 2026 17:15 pm
Melville wrote: 27 Jul 2026 08:05 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:27 pm He's here until Bloom think the team is ready to compete. He's a place holder to take the heat during the re-build. My guess is he is relieved of his duties after next season, assuming there is a next season.
Best take in the thread.
Nice post.
I would add that DeWitt is famously loyal.
It is why The Marmot was hired and why he is still here.
Same as Shildt.
And then Shildt got fired when he tried to be something more than a yes man.
The Marmot learned from that and intentionally chose to comply.
But Super Slo Mo is no longer around to protect him from failure and incompetence.
You are correct - Bloom will fire him once DeWitt permits it.
I doubt he gets fired. Like you said DeWitt is loyal. As long as Oli remains a good soldier, he'll be reassigned somewhere in the minors where I think he can do some good. Young players seem to respond to him.
Ummm... we have a team of young players. Oli will be here a minute.
Also, Shildt was fired because he was a total tool to his staff. See San Diego.
This has been documented despite the false narrative spewed on cards talk by #dooshville and #fraudrocko.
Carry on
I disagree. When Bloom determines the re-build is over and the push is ready to begin, he'll bring in his own guy.

I'll either be wrong or I'll be right. My guess is 2028 although it could be 2029 depending on the length of the lockout. The longer it goes the less likely they'll be ready to contend in '28.

We'll see.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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imyourhuckleberry wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:02 pm
riff raff wrote: 27 Jul 2026 17:53 pm
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 27 Jul 2026 17:15 pm
Melville wrote: 27 Jul 2026 08:05 am
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:27 pm He's here until Bloom think the team is ready to compete. He's a place holder to take the heat during the re-build. My guess is he is relieved of his duties after next season, assuming there is a next season.
Best take in the thread.
Nice post.
I would add that DeWitt is famously loyal.
It is why The Marmot was hired and why he is still here.
Same as Shildt.
And then Shildt got fired when he tried to be something more than a yes man.
The Marmot learned from that and intentionally chose to comply.
But Super Slo Mo is no longer around to protect him from failure and incompetence.
You are correct - Bloom will fire him once DeWitt permits it.
I doubt he gets fired. Like you said DeWitt is loyal. As long as Oli remains a good soldier, he'll be reassigned somewhere in the minors where I think he can do some good. Young players seem to respond to him.
Ummm... we have a team of young players. Oli will be here a minute.
Also, Shildt was fired because he was a total tool to his staff. See San Diego.
This has been documented despite the false narrative spewed on cards talk by #dooshville and #fraudrocko.
Carry on
I disagree. When Bloom determines the re-build is over and the push is ready to begin, he'll bring in his own guy.

I'll either be wrong or I'll be right. My guess is 2028 although it could be 2029 depending on the length of the lockout. The longer it goes the less likely they'll be ready to contend in '28.

We'll see.
Yes, we will. Every manager gets fired sooner or later.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:53 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:46 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
Yea I believed you saw it I questioned the accuracy of the information. I read on a little and someone else cleared it up. Jeff Jones is like Bernie. Take the accuracy of his information at your own risk. Thanks
I would think misinformation or false reporting would end a reporter's access to the team. Maybe not.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:11 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:53 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:46 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
Yea I believed you saw it I questioned the accuracy of the information. I read on a little and someone else cleared it up. Jeff Jones is like Bernie. Take the accuracy of his information at your own risk. Thanks
I would think misinformation or false reporting would end a reporter's access to the team. Maybe not.
Jeff Jones is usually spot on.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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riff raff wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:14 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:11 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:53 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:46 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
Yea I believed you saw it I questioned the accuracy of the information. I read on a little and someone else cleared it up. Jeff Jones is like Bernie. Take the accuracy of his information at your own risk. Thanks
I would think misinformation or false reporting would end a reporter's access to the team. Maybe not.
Jeff Jones is usually spot on.
I know Jones gets credited with several breaking stories. But 2ninr isn't the only one who has questioned what he wrote yesterday.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:19 pm
riff raff wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:14 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:11 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:53 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:46 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
Yea I believed you saw it I questioned the accuracy of the information. I read on a little and someone else cleared it up. Jeff Jones is like Bernie. Take the accuracy of his information at your own risk. Thanks
I would think misinformation or false reporting would end a reporter's access to the team. Maybe not.
Jeff Jones is usually spot on.
I know Jones gets credited with several breaking stories. But 2ninr isn't the only one who has questioned what he wrote yesterday.
It's not a big deal to me either way, just saying his reporting is usually good. Better than most.
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Re: Serious Managerial Question

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JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 18:11 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:53 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:46 pm
2ninr wrote: 27 Jul 2026 16:43 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:37 pm
Chitownredbird wrote: 26 Jul 2026 22:31 pm IMO he’s here until Bloom thinks he’s given him a roster that should win but Oli continues with his mismanagement of the pen and idiotic lineups. So probably next year or 28.
I saw where Jeff Jones reported today's lineup was a mistake. That Herrerea was supposed to bat 2nd and Walker 4th. But oli turned in an erroneous card.
Where did you see that?
He had posted it on X yesterday.
Yea I believed you saw it I questioned the accuracy of the information. I read on a little and someone else cleared it up. Jeff Jones is like Bernie. Take the accuracy of his information at your own risk. Thanks
I would think misinformation or false reporting would end a reporter's access to the team. Maybe not.
I don’t think either one of those guys has "access" to the team. Reporting isn't what it used to be. Guys used to check their sources before printing things. I think now they hear one unsubstantiated rumor and it gets printed. There's still a few guys that don't print things unless they're 100% sure. Than they get made fun of for getting "scooped".