What are the Ducks going to do?

[d--train]

Karma for Q

[Harry York 37]

Karma for Q

From the Hockey Gods.

I used to like the Ducks, because both my sons were fans. My youngest was a big fan of Sammy Paullsson, who played Bottom Six C like you read about when they won the Cup.

[TAFKAP]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

His nickname during his playing days was "Little ball of hate".

[TAFKAP]

No, they do not have to match but I expect they will.

OK Mr technocrat.

It wasn't literal ...did I need to state the obvious?

If it's an obvious slam dunk (no question they will match) why bother with a thread?

Not to be contrarian but, not a slam dunk. Everyone thought Edmonton would match at least one of Broberg and Holloway and didn't match either. Verbeek would have to deal with Leo's deal tying his hands to fill the rest of the roster. There is a chance they don't. I wouldn't.

[UMR-alum-05]

I wonder if the Blues can pull off a Tippet trade if the Ducks don't match.

Philly could be in the market to move Tippett out for a younger player on an ELC

[Old_Goat]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was in another thread, but I didn't verify.

And tfriede, I am responding to you here to save space in the thread - McTavish said Zegras is a very good friend who he reached out to about being moved. If PHI can't afford him, maybe we can land him.

Interesting.

[Old_Goat]

I wonder if the Blues can pull off a Tippet trade if the Ducks don't match.

Philly could be in the market to move Tippett out for a younger player on an ELC

Also interesting.

[TheJackBurton]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

[Old_Goat]

Original thought was that they match, a few days later I’m not 100% sure they will. They have a bunch of holes and they might have to move some of their older depth. I think Briere likely has set them back now and knocked them back to no playoffs next year regardless of what Verbeek does here.
They could also be working out a trade with Philly. The Flyers have a lot of really good prospects. Briere wants that #1 center so I’m sure he’s open for a deal if it’s there.

Suspect Coach Q is like WTF did I get myself into…

...a job.

[dhsux]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

Had not heard that.

It must have been before the offer sheet was even made......and I have to wonder if the agent leaked it to Philly.

[TheJackBurton]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

Had not heard that.

It must have been before the offer sheet was even made......and I have to wonder if the agent leaked it to Philly.

the thing that gets me is, you have a player who is making it known he wants to stay and is willing to sign an long term extension with you, and is looking like a player that you want to build around, and you do everything you possibly can to push him out the door.

[Hockey Pete]

Original thought was that they match, a few days later I’m not 100% sure they will. They have a bunch of holes and they might have to move some of their older depth. I think Briere likely has set them back now and knocked them back to no playoffs next year regardless of what Verbeek does here.
They could also be working out a trade with Philly. The Flyers have a lot of really good prospects. Briere wants that #1 center so I’m sure he’s open for a deal if it’s there.

Suspect Coach Q is like WTF did I get myself into…

Forgot all about Q... His roster will definitely look a lot different this season.

[Backesdraft]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

Had not heard that.

It must have been before the offer sheet was even made......and I have to wonder if the agent leaked it to Philly.

the thing that gets me is, you have a player who is making it known he wants to stay and is willing to sign an long term extension with you, and is looking like a player that you want to build around, and you do everything you possibly can to push him out the door.

On 32 Thoughts yesterday, Friedman didn’t throw Verbeek under the bus or anything he names several players that have had to go through tough negations with him. I’m definitely not a fan of giving the players everything they want without, but given today’s landscape, I do wonder if a GM like Verbeek won’t last. How many young players might he alienate simply because he wants to play hardball (more so than is even expected)?

[TheJackBurton]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

Had not heard that.

It must have been before the offer sheet was even made......and I have to wonder if the agent leaked it to Philly.

the thing that gets me is, you have a player who is making it known he wants to stay and is willing to sign an long term extension with you, and is looking like a player that you want to build around, and you do everything you possibly can to push him out the door.

On 32 Thoughts yesterday, Friedman didn’t throw Verbeek under the bus or anything he names several players that have had to go through tough negations with him. I’m definitely not a fan of giving the players everything they want without, but given today’s landscape, I do wonder if a GM like Verbeek won’t last. How many young players might he alienate simply because he wants to play hardball (more so than is even expected)?

That's kind of my point. You have a young player who is making it known he wants to stay, his original demands weren't outrageous, but probably a little more than they should have been, but with the cap going up, not surprising. Then he comes back and gives you a second opportunity and you still turn him down. At some point they can take a hint.

[bluetunehead]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

Had not heard that.

It must have been before the offer sheet was even made......and I have to wonder if the agent leaked it to Philly.

the thing that gets me is, you have a player who is making it known he wants to stay and is willing to sign an long term extension with you, and is looking like a player that you want to build around, and you do everything you possibly can to push him out the door.

On 32 Thoughts yesterday, Friedman didn’t throw Verbeek under the bus or anything he names several players that have had to go through tough negations with him. I’m definitely not a fan of giving the players everything they want without, but given today’s landscape, I do wonder if a GM like Verbeek won’t last. How many young players might he alienate simply because he wants to play hardball (more so than is even expected)?

That's kind of my point. You have a young player who is making it known he wants to stay, his original demands weren't outrageous, but probably a little more than they should have been, but with the cap going up, not surprising. Then he comes back and gives you a second opportunity and you still turn him down. At some point they can take a hint.

Yeah, I think with Verbeek it's not even that he doesn't respect or want to keep his players. He was just still operating with the mindset that nobody touches RFAs even though they're technically allowed. That's largely been the case for a long time. Plenty of good players have been squeezed on their RFA contracts because their teams were up against the cap and no other offers were there. But Armstrong re-opened that door with the successful offers to Holloway and Broberg. A lot of other GMs took notice and the gloves are coming off. Combine that with the cap exploding and a super young legit 1C sitting there unsigned. Perfect storm for Briere to go for it. Verbeek should have seen it coming.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was stated on Elliotte Friedman 32 thoughts podcast.

Had not heard that.

It must have been before the offer sheet was even made......and I have to wonder if the agent leaked it to Philly.

the thing that gets me is, you have a player who is making it known he wants to stay and is willing to sign an long term extension with you, and is looking like a player that you want to build around, and you do everything you possibly can to push him out the door.

On 32 Thoughts yesterday, Friedman didn’t throw Verbeek under the bus or anything he names several players that have had to go through tough negations with him. I’m definitely not a fan of giving the players everything they want without, but given today’s landscape, I do wonder if a GM like Verbeek won’t last. How many young players might he alienate simply because he wants to play hardball (more so than is even expected)?

That's kind of my point. You have a young player who is making it known he wants to stay, his original demands weren't outrageous, but probably a little more than they should have been, but with the cap going up, not surprising. Then he comes back and gives you a second opportunity and you still turn him down. At some point they can take a hint.

Yeah, I think with Verbeek it's not even that he doesn't respect or want to keep his players. He was just still operating with the mindset that nobody touches RFAs even though they're technically allowed. That's largely been the case for a long time. Plenty of good players have been squeezed on their RFA contracts because their teams were up against the cap and no other offers were there. But Armstrong re-opened that door with the successful offers to Holloway and Broberg. A lot of other GMs took notice and the gloves are coming off. Combine that with the cap exploding and a super young legit 1C sitting there unsigned. Perfect storm for Briere to go for it. Verbeek should have seen it coming.

Good points. He definitely is operating in that old school mindset which in the case of these players has come to bite him in the (donkey). Give some credit to Armey who definitely has a little of that old school attitude himself but has seemingly admitted he needs/needed to adapt to the new breed of younger player in the league. Ironically it seems his bolt out of the blue with the holloway/broberg offer sheets seems to have ignited this new reality.