What are the Ducks going to do?

[dhsux]

Curious what ya'll are thinking here.

I'm assuming it's 80/20 they sign him. Because they have to.

I'm in that camp. Because I do believe they have to.

But to be really honest I'm so glad it's not the Blues put in this situation because my gut tells me it's actually the wrong move for multiple reasons.

[DawgDad]

No, they do not have to match but I expect they will.

[Frank Underwood]

I just don't see where they have a choice - they have to match. They already made a massive mistake and failing to match just makes it worse. It's not ideal, obviously, but there are no guarantees with those 4 first rounders, especially where the Flyers + Carlsson would likely be picking.

[dhsux]

No, they do not have to match but I expect they will.

OK Mr technocrat.

It wasn't literal ...did I need to state the obvious?

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

[dhsux]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

[UMR-alum-05]

They could not match and then take some picks and trade for Petterson.

Not saying they should. But they could

[Pierre McGuire]

Original thought was that they match, a few days later I’m not 100% sure they will. They have a bunch of holes and they might have to move some of their older depth. I think Briere likely has set them back now and knocked them back to no playoffs next year regardless of what Verbeek does here.
They could also be working out a trade with Philly. The Flyers have a lot of really good prospects. Briere wants that #1 center so I’m sure he’s open for a deal if it’s there.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

[Army's Mom]

I just don't see where they have a choice - they have to match. They already made a massive mistake and failing to match just makes it worse. It's not ideal, obviously, but there are no guarantees with those 4 first rounders, especially where the Flyers + Carlsson would likely be picking.

Agreed. But, part of me wants to see them take the picks and then throw 20M at Bedard or Fantilli. Let's get crazy with it!

[zamadoo]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

[tfriede2]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

I don’t read much into Verbeek taking all the time allotted to match or decline; they want Philly to sweat it out and have a more difficult time negotiating with Drysdale and Zegras. If Anaheim declines, the Flyers only have $12.5 mil left to sign both of those players plus 2 more for a 23-man roster. They certainly don’t want to do the Flyers any favors.

[dhsux]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

[zamadoo]

Verbeek is supposedly whining to the league for a comp fifth rounder (not from philly) due to the cost of the contract (not sure how much I believe that) He is totally responsible for this situation having done it to four of his prospects. He is proud (donkey)(pit) who may be stubborn enough to cut Carlsson loose because he (bleep) him.

Hadn't considered his personality in this deal.

Good point if true.

He was on the dirty side as a player, no?

Absolutely. Famously cut a digit off in a bizarre gardening accident. The interesting part of it is that he has like 9 million left to sign gauthier who unlike lc led the team in goals and points and famously spurned the flyers because fletcher did not have enough money to sign him after his freshman year at bc. Losing that year (and money) ticked him off so bad he refused to deal with flyers and briere (who had nothing to do with the decision). Do you think that guy is going to take one for the team and agree to take half of what lc is making ? Unless he signs a heavily backloaded deal but still looking at a minimum between 25 to 34 percent of cap tied up in two players.

Wow signing Gauthier after this debacle was already a concern before I knew all that. Watch Verbeek let Carlsson go to PHI and then sign Gauthier to slightly more.

Going off some of the other posts - The fact he didn't immediately match on Carlsson said so much to me. Now we learn Carlsson even came to him before signing the PHI offer and offered ANA a lower deal at $15m! Could've never been a thing, and would've been like Matthews or Eichel, but now is closer to McDavid.

Could you post the link that establishes this offer by Carlson to the Ducks please?

It was in another thread, but I didn't verify.

And tfriede, I am responding to you here to save space in the thread - McTavish said Zegras is a very good friend who he reached out to about being moved. If PHI can't afford him, maybe we can land him.

[steve li]

Original thought was that they match, a few days later I’m not 100% sure they will. They have a bunch of holes and they might have to move some of their older depth. I think Briere likely has set them back now and knocked them back to no playoffs next year regardless of what Verbeek does here.
They could also be working out a trade with Philly. The Flyers have a lot of really good prospects. Briere wants that #1 center so I’m sure he’s open for a deal if it’s there.

Suspect Coach Q is like WTF did I get myself into…

[DawgDad]

No, they do not have to match but I expect they will.

OK Mr technocrat.

It wasn't literal ...did I need to state the obvious?

If it's an obvious slam dunk (no question they will match) why bother with a thread?