Team Chemistry- Noot and Torres

[sikeston bulldog2]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

Yea, because getting rid of VS2 batting sub .180 would destroy team chemistry.

I think he’s a core guy. He’s been around three years now. Sending him down is an environmental downer.

I agree missing his offense wouldn’t hurt. I just think they are hitting on eight cylinders and any more, minus Torres, Can only be worse.

They are hitting on 7 cylinders with VS2. Winning makes team chemistry and winning more with better players makes better chemistry. You don’t think those players sit on the bench when VS2 is up there knowing it’s the end of the ending?

I know, I know. I’m sure they do. And it might be an elephant in the room event.i think his presence is bigger than his performance at this point of the teams success.

Why would you think that? It doesn’t make any sense.

I’m thinking the players also feel his issues. And when he fails, they may with drawl a bit to avoid the mood. This creates a barrier of sorts.

As for his presence. It’s a bigger positive than his performance offensively.

Why is a garbage player a bigger positive than his performance? The fact is, you don’t know. And it’s stupid to claim a worse player should be playing over a better player because it makes the rest of the team happy. Doesn’t make any sense. You can’t explain it.

I know nothing. I feel, that since his offense contributions are minimal, that some thing else keeps him here. Defense maybe. But maybe club house. I don’t know.

[Melville]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

Good take.
Bloom has made good progress in cleaning up the TOXIC CULTURE which beset the team for the prior decade or so.
Mootbaar played a significant role in that toxicity.
It would be foolish - even dangerous - to take a step backwards by allowing him to interfere with the chemistry which is currently working.
Toxic waste should be buried or removed.
I have been explaining for years that baseball teams are no different than any other organization: success is achieved when THE SUM IS GREATER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS.

[noted]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

I don’t disagree necessarily but I don’t know what to do with Noot. Is he 4th OF? Also when he comes in doesn’t someone have to go down or out? Is that Fermin, Sag or Pozo?

Scott needs to be sent down

[rockondlouie]

No way BDog

Noot isn't an "outsider", he's been a teammate w/most of the guys on the team for a few years and is well liked.

When you can flip a career .747 OPS, all round good player for a .560 career OPS VSII you do it ASAP!

To corelate Noot entering the lineup and VSII leaving it w/any potential losing streak is faulty logic given Noot is the vastly superior all round player and in sports you always want your best on the field.

Torres is a different story, but not Noot.

As soon as he's able it's:

Noot
Church
Walker

in the outfield!

[OldRed]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

I agree completely.

[Cardinals1964]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

Good take.
Bloom has made good progress in cleaning up the TOXIC CULTURE which beset the team for the prior decade or so.
Mootbaar played a significant role in that toxicity.
It would be foolish - even dangerous - to take a step backwards by allowing him to interfere with the chemistry which is currently working.
Toxic waste should be buried or removed.
I have been explaining for years that baseball teams are no different than any other organization: success is achieved when THE SUM IS GREATER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS.

Everything you just wrote is speculation in opinion.

[Cardinals1964]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

I agree completely.

You agreed to play less talented players over better players? I guess you don’t wanna see anybody ever called up from the minors? Can’t mess with team chemistry.
Most of the team can mystery is a fallacy anyway. When teams are winning, they got great team chemistry. When teams are losing, they got bad team chemistry.
When a player goes up the bat he doesn’t care who’s playing left field that day unless it is him.

[Cardinals1964]

No way BDog

Noot isn't an "outsider", he's been a teammate w/most of the guys on the team for a few years and is well liked.

When you can flip a career .747 OPS, all round good player for a .560 career OPS VSII you do it ASAP!

To corelate Noot entering the lineup and VSII leaving it w/any potential losing streak is faulty logic given Noot is the vastly superior all round player and in sports you always want your best on the field.

Torres is a different story, but not Noot.

As soon as he's able it's:

Noot
Church
Walker

in the outfield!

I like it.

[StlMike1969]

The team winning right now is great and all but was not the purpose of this years roster as defined by the management. They are not going to approach it from a MO mindset that we are winning therefore we must not tinker with what's working and only add missing pieces. This year was put up or shut up years for some players and to see what they had in others. VS2 is not getting it done and he brings nothing to the team that Church does not also. When Noot comes back it should be VS2 gone but will it be is the big question. They should also bring up Torres and Saggese back down. What the team does will be telling. If they bring back Noot and keep Scott around then they will most likely state it is more of a we will work with him on the back fields when time allows. They are not admitting they made a mistake breaking camp with him and also still keeping a reserve around in case Church or Noot falters it can just look like we are a smarter move.

I have always preached for years now that we should have been doing what they are now in letting the kids play and get some chemistry going. It is a big factor in this game and something MOZ could not understand. I would not be surprised to see one of Noot, Torres or Scott traded come deadline. Nootbar being the most likely simply because he is the one player that can claim a spot as a regular player. This way they can leave CF/LF up in the air to be claimed and let the kids fight it out until Baez starts pushing the issue. Walker is solidifying his spot on the team.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Good morning.

Oli would be a fool to change anything. Let it ride. I feel that chemistry is the final ingredient in the team building model. It’s so very hard to get every human on the same sheet at the same moment. We are there.

Stl is so tight in that clubhouse that you couldn’t bust a fart thru there. Tight. Tight as a goat horn. In fact, the chemistry is so intense, you can hear it crackling. Like thunder.

Noot and Torres.

I’d never mess with chemistry, unless it’s Torres. He is the image and model of an ingredient that will easily insert. He’s earned it. He’s young. Fits it. I’d move him up.i think the chemistry would absorb him.

Noot. Older. Been out of the net. A stranger in town. What could he bring that Torres wouldn’t? I truly don’t see what many of you see in him. I think he creates an elephant in the room effect.

Couple sayings apply here- let sleeping dogs lie, or if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Chemistry.

Good take.
Bloom has made good progress in cleaning up the TOXIC CULTURE which beset the team for the prior decade or so.
Mootbaar played a significant role in that toxicity.
It would be foolish - even dangerous - to take a step backwards by allowing him to interfere with the chemistry which is currently working.
Toxic waste should be buried or removed.
I have been explaining for years that baseball teams are no different than any other organization: success is achieved when THE SUM IS GREATER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL PARTS.

Overly dramatic. Nootbaar isn’t some locker room cancer and the guys all grew up with him and like him. Regardless, it’s still “Moot” because he can’t stay on the field. Even if his feet are better, it will be something else, usually right as he heats up. Never trust Noot, or any other DL guy.

[CorneliusWolfe]

While I agree the chemistry factor is through the roof and very valuable, I don’t believe Victor Scott has some magical aura that would collapse team chemistry if he were sent down to work on his hitting. It might be different if he was already proven and just off to a bad start.

Walker and others were sent down and had to earn their way back. Swapping out Victor Scott with Torres seems like the right competitive move. He’s persevered and earned it and the guys in the team would know he’s deserving of a chance.

[sikeston bulldog2]

While I agree the chemistry factor is through the roof and very valuable, I don’t believe Victor Scott has some magical aura that would collapse team chemistry if he were sent down to work on his hitting. It might be different if he was already proven and just off to a bad start.

Walker and others were sent down and had to earn their way back. Swapping out Victor Scott with Torres seems like the right competitive move. He’s persevered and earned it and the guys in the team would know he’s deserving of a chance.

You state chemistry factor very valuable, you also know it’s quite fleeting. That’s why I squeeze all i can get. The trick is knowing when to ease up.

I think Scott is a great clubhouse player. Maybe a large part of his roll, who knows. But they have won 12/17 games against reasonable competition. And I feel he contributes someway.

I try to really amp up my clubhouse with a sweep. Of the great Dodgers/

[CorneliusWolfe]

While I agree the chemistry factor is through the roof and very valuable, I don’t believe Victor Scott has some magical aura that would collapse team chemistry if he were sent down to work on his hitting. It might be different if he was already proven and just off to a bad start.

Walker and others were sent down and had to earn their way back. Swapping out Victor Scott with Torres seems like the right competitive move. He’s persevered and earned it and the guys in the team would know he’s deserving of a chance.

You state chemistry factor very valuable, you also know it’s quite fleeting. That’s why I squeeze all i can get. The trick is knowing when to ease up.

I think Scott is a great clubhouse player. Maybe a large part of his roll, who knows. But they have won 12/17 games against reasonable competition. And I feel he contributes someway.

I try to really amp up my clubhouse with a sweep. Of the great Dodgers/

Tell you what, if they complete the sweep today and beat the Brewers too, I’ll concede and adopt your take. Can’t argue with sustained results lol.

[sikeston bulldog2]

While I agree the chemistry factor is through the roof and very valuable, I don’t believe Victor Scott has some magical aura that would collapse team chemistry if he were sent down to work on his hitting. It might be different if he was already proven and just off to a bad start.

Walker and others were sent down and had to earn their way back. Swapping out Victor Scott with Torres seems like the right competitive move. He’s persevered and earned it and the guys in the team would know he’s deserving of a chance.

You state chemistry factor very valuable, you also know it’s quite fleeting. That’s why I squeeze all i can get. The trick is knowing when to ease up.

I think Scott is a great clubhouse player. Maybe a large part of his roll, who knows. But they have won 12/17 games against reasonable competition. And I feel he contributes someway.

I try to really amp up my clubhouse with a sweep. Of the great Dodgers/

Tell you what, if they complete the sweep today and beat the Brewers too, I’ll concede and adopt your take. Can’t argue with sustained results lol.

Ha. You drive a hard bargain , toe a tough line. Once they lose a game, how quickly they rebound will be a telling factor.

[okcardfan]

I find it ludicrous that some talk of a VSII demotion goofing up team chemistry. What happened to team chemistry when two of last year's top players were traded, Donovan and Contreras? Somehow I don't think VSII being shipped down to Memphis would blow up team chemistry. Ludicrous.

Time to bring up Torres and give him starts in 5 of 7 games or even 10 of 12. See what he's got. Not is still about four weeks away, end of month (not right when he's first eligible on the 24th, it's been reported.

[Melville]

While I agree the chemistry factor is through the roof and very valuable, I don’t believe Victor Scott has some magical aura that would collapse team chemistry if he were sent down to work on his hitting. It might be different if he was already proven and just off to a bad start.

Walker and others were sent down and had to earn their way back. Swapping out Victor Scott with Torres seems like the right competitive move. He’s persevered and earned it and the guys in the team would know he’s deserving of a chance.

You state chemistry factor very valuable, you also know it’s quite fleeting. That’s why I squeeze all i can get. The trick is knowing when to ease up.

I think Scott is a great clubhouse player. Maybe a large part of his roll, who knows. But they have won 12/17 games against reasonable competition. And I feel he contributes someway.

I try to really amp up my clubhouse with a sweep. Of the great Dodgers/

Scott is not contributing at the plate, obviously.
And he needs to step it up.
But your point concerning chemistry is spot on - yet clearly some are struggling with that concept.
Allow me to graciously and patiently help them.
Bloom went into 2026 seeking to fix the toxic culture which defined the team for several years.
Part of his "pitch" to the clubhouse was the several young players would be given a fresh start and prolonged opportunity to establish themselves as pieces moving forward, without the threat that protected veteran players would yet again stand in the way.
Lars The Human Sushi-baar most certainly was a part of that long standing problem.
After 5 wasted years (which I alone predicted was inevitable) of protection due to Super Slo Mo's love affair, his absence from the roster so far this season instantly made the team better (which, of course, I also predicted).
Nootbaar has always appeared to be more interested in self-promotion, media grooming, and childish fan adulation than in winning baseball games - which, regrettably, he learned from other Cardinals in the clubhouse who were addicted to that type of feathering.
They are all gone now.
He isn't - but should be.
Whether some fans like it or not, or whether they are capable of understanding the importance, what Bloom has initiated (the very path I have advocated for the past 5+ years) is working.
Foolish to mess with that, just yet.
It is important for Bloom's credibility, important to Scott's future (whatever it may look like), it is important to the clubhouse, it is important to the pitching staff, to stick to the plan and give Scott 100 games this year to show what he can (or can't) do.
Worked with Walker (once he realized he needed to ignore what the staff has been telling him the past 2 years).
Worked with Gorman - who only needed a defined position and consistent playing time.
And it is important to see if it will work with Scott.
Demoting him before 100 games accomplishes nothing.
Yet again rewarding Mootbaar with unearned playing time would be toxic.
When the rules force STL to re-instate him (trading him would be the better option), it would make more sense to send Saggese to AAA for a short time since he is barely playing and then put Mootbaar into a competition with Church (who could also take some turns in CF) for LF playing time.
Bottom line: you are correct and if/when Mooooot is next seen in STL, those sightings should be rare.