Two undisputed truths about Oli Marmol

[ecleme22]

Where is written that managers must be best buds with players?

Who said best buds?

Goldfan did. That's how he undermines your thought.

Isn’t that the claim….that he gets along great with the players?
There is story in PD where the players attended the presser announcing his extension
It’s been stated here many times…..Players like Oli…..he relates to players well

Players apparently like and respect Oli.

What a horrible thing.

And that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..

I can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.

Usually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.

I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.

But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.

“Riding the hot hand” isn’t something that’s decided game-to-game.

[OldRed]

Where is written that managers must be best buds with players?

Who said best buds?

Goldfan did. That's how he undermines your thought.

Isn’t that the claim….that he gets along great with the players?
There is story in PD where the players attended the presser announcing his extension
It’s been stated here many times…..Players like Oli…..he relates to players well

Players apparently like and respect Oli.

What a horrible thing.

And that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..

I can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.

Usually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.

I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.

But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.

“Riding the hot hand” isn’t something that’s decided game-to-game.

Maybe it should be.

I could just see him sitting Musial, Billy Williams, Mays, Aaron, Brock, Robinson (both) or others for a scheduled day off.

[ecleme22]

Where is written that managers must be best buds with players?

Who said best buds?

Goldfan did. That's how he undermines your thought.

Isn’t that the claim….that he gets along great with the players?
There is story in PD where the players attended the presser announcing his extension
It’s been stated here many times…..Players like Oli…..he relates to players well

Players apparently like and respect Oli.

What a horrible thing.

And that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..

I can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.

Usually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.

I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.

But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.

“Riding the hot hand” isn’t something that’s decided game-to-game.

Maybe it should be.

I could just see him sitting Musial, Billy Williams, Mays, Aaron, Brock, Robinson (both) or others for a scheduled day off.

It's pretty obvious, from the last two years of Mayson Winn, that clear cut starters receive less days off.

But say Cards have played a bunch in a row. The team has an offday on Monday. Oli let's JJ know that he will get Sunday off so he's has two days to regroup. If JJ gets 3 hits on Saturday, the days off should still stand. Not: "Oh man, he hot! Gotta ride dat hot hand!"

[Bomber1]

Where is written that managers must be best buds with players?

Who said best buds?

Goldfan did. That's how he undermines your thought.

Isn’t that the claim….that he gets along great with the players?
There is story in PD where the players attended the presser announcing his extension
It’s been stated here many times…..Players like Oli…..he relates to players well

Players apparently like and respect Oli.

What a horrible thing.

And that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..

I can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.

Usually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.

I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.

But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.

“Riding the hot hand” isn’t something that’s decided game-to-game.

Maybe it should be.

I could just see him sitting Musial, Billy Williams, Mays, Aaron, Brock, Robinson (both) or others for a scheduled day off.

It's pretty obvious, from the last two years of Mayson Winn, that clear cut starters receive less days off.

But say Cards have played a bunch in a row. The team has an offday on Monday. Oli let's JJ know that he will get Sunday off so he's has two days to regroup. If JJ gets 3 hits on Saturday, the days off should still stand. Not: "Oh man, he hot! Gotta ride dat hot hand!"

Your theoretical setting has absolutely nothing to do with my statement which was 100% truth.

And really no need to do your completely ignorant “imitation” of Marmol.

You made some good points; why be an (donkey) over it?

Is it really that difficult for you to acknowledge that Marmol has sat players who didn’t need a day off after they’ve had a good game?

[renostl]

Where is written that managers must be best buds with players?

Who said best buds?

Goldfan did. That's how he undermines your thought.

Isn’t that the claim….that he gets along great with the players?
There is story in PD where the players attended the presser announcing his extension
It’s been stated here many times…..Players like Oli…..he relates to players well

Players apparently like and respect Oli.

What a horrible thing.

And that’s great if he brings something else to the table as a manager…..

I can't wait until Wetherholt gets three hits in a game and then sits the next day.

Usually if something like that would happen, it would be a scheduled day off based on rest, pitching matchup, keeping other guys fresh.

I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other about Marmol’s extension, other than I would have waited until late May or June to make the decision.

But your last statement is simply not true. Marmol has even stated that he sits guys after a good game “so they feel good about themselves”.
He, to this point anyway, has absolutely zero concept of riding a hot hand.

“Riding the hot hand” isn’t something that’s decided game-to-game.

Maybe it should be.

I could just see him sitting Musial, Billy Williams, Mays, Aaron, Brock, Robinson (both) or others for a scheduled day off.

This will sound like I'm an Oli defender.
The closest player Oli has had to those players in both
production and health was Goldschmidt. He was played 150+ games by Oli.
Winn, Donovan, Burleson, Arenado all seen 150 games in 2024.

Young players do need to be challenged. That also needs to be balanced with
bad match ups. There's some hindsight comparisons in this when a player
is hot, skips a bad matchup, maybe he goes 0'fer in that matchup, it's unknown.

[LCA1951]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

[Hoosier59]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

I don’t think the argument is, or should be about Goldschmidt, Arenado or any other established player. They need scheduled days off. What is, and has been relevant are younger players, who, for whatever reason, got to play a few games in a row and were hitting well. Then, Oli sits them and breaks up the momentum they had going! It has happened many times. If it had only happened a couple times, you could call it coincidence, but not when he keeps doing it. He obviously goes by a script and doesn’t stray from it for any reason. That’s what people think is DUMB!

[renostl]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

I don’t think the argument is, or should be about Goldschmidt, Arenado or any other established player. They need scheduled days off. What is, and has been relevant are younger players, who, for whatever reason, got to play a few games in a row and were hitting well. Then, Oli sits them and breaks up the momentum they had going! It has happened many times. If it had only happened a couple times, you could call it coincidence, but not when he keeps doing it. He obviously goes by a script and doesn’t stray from it for any reason. That’s what people think is DUMB!

I think Walker, Gorman, Herrera, Scott, Winn, Burleson, were the primary young players to be
given the PT.

Burleson played 139 games, IL wrist for 10 games 13 games off
Winn played 129 games, IL knee and back for 28 games, 5 games off
Scott played 138 games, IL ankle 13 games, 11 games off
Herrera played 107 games, IL knee and hammy for 51 games, 3 games off
Gorman played 111 games, IL Back and hammy for 22 games 29 games off maybe a case
Walker played 111 games, IL Wrist and appendix 32 games, 19 games off

I'm not thinking these guys set a lot considering their offensive struggles, The DH/1B positional
squeeze and other young players needing some PT too. Could just be a difference in opinion.
Arenado, Contreras, Donovan, and Nootbaar were also in the mix.

[Dicktar2023]

Where is written that managers must be best buds with players?

Who said best buds?

Goldfan did. That's how he undermines your thought.

Isn’t that the claim….that he gets along great with the players?
There is story in PD where the players attended the presser announcing his extension
It’s been stated here many times…..Players like Oli…..he relates to players well

Players apparently like and respect Oli.

What a horrible thing.

Is that why they refuse to steal base when he gives them the sign? Is that why players, young and old, refuse to take his advice on training, videotape, etc.?

"Well, it's up to the players to play and have a good work ethic."

Fine. But then don't say he's "great with young players," or all the "players respect him." I'm sure they say great things about him when asked, in the same way all the kids in 3rd grade love the substitute teacher who lets them color all day and cleans up after them.

I'm telling you...this youth movement is going to suffer without anyone in the ML clubhouse able to act as disciplinarian. It's going to be a big lovefest until they start to lose, and Marmol gets to his usual tricks with the lineup.

I get it. You say Oli smile one time in the dugout, so that means it’s a frat house in the clubhouse.

I didn't mention and don't care about Marmol's facial expressions, but go ahead and whack your straw man.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Bloom did not make the decision.

BDWJr

Tells me the re-build (re: LOW PAYROLL) will now continue past 2028, no quality major league Manager would take the job knowing the owner isn't going to spend any money for many years.........if ever again.

Just sell the d a m n team Dewitt.

You mean the same Dewitt that built this record of success over his tenure as a team owner?
29 years
2 World Championships
4 Pennants
12 NL Central titles
16 playoff appearances
.544 winning percentage, 4th in baseball, 2nd in the NL
From 2000-2025, only two losing seasons
I
I’ll trust an owner who brought, for even this storied franchise, the most sustained level of success in the club’s history.

They won't be relevant for a long time, so long they may become what the Pirates were for so long. Fact.

[ecleme22]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

I don’t think the argument is, or should be about Goldschmidt, Arenado or any other established player. They need scheduled days off. What is, and has been relevant are younger players, who, for whatever reason, got to play a few games in a row and were hitting well. Then, Oli sits them and breaks up the momentum they had going! It has happened many times. If it had only happened a couple times, you could call it coincidence, but not when he keeps doing it. He obviously goes by a script and doesn’t stray from it for any reason. That’s what people think is DUMB!

A scheduled day off doesn’t throw off a player.

[Bomber1]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

I don’t think the argument is, or should be about Goldschmidt, Arenado or any other established player. They need scheduled days off. What is, and has been relevant are younger players, who, for whatever reason, got to play a few games in a row and were hitting well. Then, Oli sits them and breaks up the momentum they had going! It has happened many times. If it had only happened a couple times, you could call it coincidence, but not when he keeps doing it. He obviously goes by a script and doesn’t stray from it for any reason. That’s what people think is DUMB!

I think Walker, Gorman, Herrera, Scott, Winn, Burleson, were the primary young players to be
given the PT.

Burleson played 139 games, IL wrist for 10 games 13 games off
Winn played 129 games, IL knee and back for 28 games, 5 games off
Scott played 138 games, IL ankle 13 games, 11 games off
Herrera played 107 games, IL knee and hammy for 51 games, 3 games off
Gorman played 111 games, IL Back and hammy for 22 games 29 games off maybe a case
Walker played 111 games, IL Wrist and appendix 32 games, 19 games off

I'm not thinking these guys set a lot considering their offensive struggles, The DH/1B positional
squeeze and other young players needing some PT too. Could just be a difference in opinion.
Arenado, Contreras, Donovan, and Nootbaar were also in the mix.

This is a good post, although Saggese, Crooks, Fermin in limited time aren’t included.

I don’t hate Marmol but he said himself he would and did give young guys a day off after they’ve had a good game so they could feel good on a day off. I can’t provide a link but I saw him say it last year when questioned.
He was called “ the Cooler” in several threads last year and in 24.

Regardless, looking forward to some games that count!

[ecleme22]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

I don’t think the argument is, or should be about Goldschmidt, Arenado or any other established player. They need scheduled days off. What is, and has been relevant are younger players, who, for whatever reason, got to play a few games in a row and were hitting well. Then, Oli sits them and breaks up the momentum they had going! It has happened many times. If it had only happened a couple times, you could call it coincidence, but not when he keeps doing it. He obviously goes by a script and doesn’t stray from it for any reason. That’s what people think is DUMB!

I think Walker, Gorman, Herrera, Scott, Winn, Burleson, were the primary young players to be
given the PT.

Burleson played 139 games, IL wrist for 10 games 13 games off
Winn played 129 games, IL knee and back for 28 games, 5 games off
Scott played 138 games, IL ankle 13 games, 11 games off
Herrera played 107 games, IL knee and hammy for 51 games, 3 games off
Gorman played 111 games, IL Back and hammy for 22 games 29 games off maybe a case
Walker played 111 games, IL Wrist and appendix 32 games, 19 games off

I'm not thinking these guys set a lot considering their offensive struggles, The DH/1B positional
squeeze and other young players needing some PT too. Could just be a difference in opinion.
Arenado, Contreras, Donovan, and Nootbaar were also in the mix.

This is a good post, although Saggese, Crooks, Fermin in limited time aren’t included.

I don’t hate Marmol but he said himself he would and did give young guys a day off after they’ve had a good game so they could feel good on a day off. I can’t provide a link but I saw him say it last year when questioned.
He was called “ the Cooler” in several threads last year and in 24.

Regardless, looking forward to some games that count!

AI couldn’t find anything about Oli giving days off for that reason.

Now scheduled days off? Yes.

[renostl]

All of these would be managers should have applied for the job. It is a look in mirror thread

I don’t think the argument is, or should be about Goldschmidt, Arenado or any other established player. They need scheduled days off. What is, and has been relevant are younger players, who, for whatever reason, got to play a few games in a row and were hitting well. Then, Oli sits them and breaks up the momentum they had going! It has happened many times. If it had only happened a couple times, you could call it coincidence, but not when he keeps doing it. He obviously goes by a script and doesn’t stray from it for any reason. That’s what people think is DUMB!

I think Walker, Gorman, Herrera, Scott, Winn, Burleson, were the primary young players to be
given the PT.

Burleson played 139 games, IL wrist for 10 games 13 games off
Winn played 129 games, IL knee and back for 28 games, 5 games off
Scott played 138 games, IL ankle 13 games, 11 games off
Herrera played 107 games, IL knee and hammy for 51 games, 3 games off
Gorman played 111 games, IL Back and hammy for 22 games 29 games off maybe a case
Walker played 111 games, IL Wrist and appendix 32 games, 19 games off

I'm not thinking these guys set a lot considering their offensive struggles, The DH/1B positional
squeeze and other young players needing some PT too. Could just be a difference in opinion.
Arenado, Contreras, Donovan, and Nootbaar were also in the mix.

This is a good post, although Saggese, Crooks, Fermin in limited time aren’t included.

I don’t hate Marmol but he said himself he would and did give young guys a day off after they’ve had a good game so they could feel good on a day off. I can’t provide a link but I saw him say it last year when questioned.
He was called “ the Cooler” in several threads last year and in 24.

Regardless, looking forward to some games that count!

Saggese rode the early shuttle and received more consistent time after June 20. Crooks got his late
season call up and list of first's out of the way. Not really sure where either ranked as getting priority time, as
rude as that might sound. NA staying squeezed PT or the others would have sat.

Fermin has never received a solid opportunity in the numbers game.
Even this seasons it could go to Urias.

Games will count real soon for a few of these players when the camp rosters reduce.
Still interested in how it plays out. Then OD.