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Re: Ramon Urias

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 20 Feb 2026 18:07 pm
cardinalsfever44 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:54 pm Ramón Urías (5'10", 185 lbs) is a dependable, right-handed utility infielder known for high-end defensive versatility, particularly at third base where he won a 2022 Gold Glove. With 6+ years of MLB experience (2020–2025), he provides solid contact hitting, respectable power, and a high baseball IQ, offering roughly 3+ WAR per 162 games.

Defensive Profile
Elite Utility: Primarily plays 3B, but capable at 2B, SS, and 1B.
Gold Glove Caliber: Won the 2022 AL Gold Glove for third base with 14 Defensive Runs Saved.
Range/Arm: Above-average defender with good instincts; ranked in the 87th percentile in Outs Above Average.
Improvements: Showed major improvements with the glove through 2025, posting a +3 Run Fielding Value (75th percentile).

Offensive Profile
Contact/Approach: Solid contact hitter with a manageable strikeout rate (around 16-17% in top seasons) and a respectable eye at the plate.
Power: Primarily a gap-to-gap hitter with the ability to pull for home runs. Increased his flyball rate in recent seasons to enhance power, posting a .237 ISO in 2018 (Mexico) and maintaining good power numbers in MLB.
Consistency: A career 104-105 wRC+ hitter who is generally consistent against both RHP and LHP, often acting as a reliable starter or elite utility player.

Scouting Summary
Urías profiles as a high-IQ, veteran utility player who can start regularly. He has transitioned from a fringe prospect into a reliable big-league regular with elite infield defense. His ability to hit for average and play multiple spots effectively makes him highly valuable.
Key 2025 Performance Data
Fielding: 87th percentile in Outs Above Average.
Value: 3.3 WAR average per 162 games.
Utility: Played all four infield spots, with elite performance at 3B
Career .257 hitter. Man, the definition of hitting for average really has changed.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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cardstatman wrote: 20 Feb 2026 19:51 pm If this is a minor league deal, then it is a very good signing.

If this is a major league deal and he's getting $5M or more, then we saved nothing by dealing Arenado! :?
Minor league deal would be smart.
MLB deal would be stupid.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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C-Unit wrote: 20 Feb 2026 20:17 pm Playing Saggese in leftfield is an interesting idea, at first I didn't like it but maybe it is better than having the weak arm at 3B. He may end up being the variety of versatile that isn't necessarily above average at any of the positions he plays.

So bringing in a veteran defensive 3B implies that they don't plan to give 3B 100% to Gorman. Gorman IMO should be the primary backup infielder, seeing time at 1B 2B, 3B, DH without having the majority at any position. Pick your spots with him where you can mix and match him against righties that throw a lot of middle-middle fastballs (if we face Mikolas).

C: Herrera, Pages, Pozo
1B: Burleson, Herrera, Gorman
2B: Wetherholt, Gorman, Urias
SS: Winn, Urias, Wetherholt?
3B: Urias: Gorman, Fermin?
LF: Saggese, Burleson, Nootbaar, Fermin
CF: Scott, Nootbaar
RF: Walker, Nootbaar
DH: Gorman, Herrera, Burleson

Looks like the longer Herrera sticks at C, the better chance Gorman has at getting semi-regular fulltime play as the DH, playing an infield spot on the days Burleson is the DH.

At a certain point, I think Saggese could become expendable honestly. Fermin is right-handed and can play better defense at every one of those positions.
Zero chance Herrera sticks as a starting catcher.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Melville wrote: 21 Feb 2026 12:26 pm
C-Unit wrote: 20 Feb 2026 20:17 pm Playing Saggese in leftfield is an interesting idea, at first I didn't like it but maybe it is better than having the weak arm at 3B. He may end up being the variety of versatile that isn't necessarily above average at any of the positions he plays.

So bringing in a veteran defensive 3B implies that they don't plan to give 3B 100% to Gorman. Gorman IMO should be the primary backup infielder, seeing time at 1B 2B, 3B, DH without having the majority at any position. Pick your spots with him where you can mix and match him against righties that throw a lot of middle-middle fastballs (if we face Mikolas).

C: Herrera, Pages, Pozo
1B: Burleson, Herrera, Gorman
2B: Wetherholt, Gorman, Urias
SS: Winn, Urias, Wetherholt?
3B: Urias: Gorman, Fermin?
LF: Saggese, Burleson, Nootbaar, Fermin
CF: Scott, Nootbaar
RF: Walker, Nootbaar
DH: Gorman, Herrera, Burleson

Looks like the longer Herrera sticks at C, the better chance Gorman has at getting semi-regular fulltime play as the DH, playing an infield spot on the days Burleson is the DH.

At a certain point, I think Saggese could become expendable honestly. Fermin is right-handed and can play better defense at every one of those positions.
Zero chance Herrera sticks as a starting catcher.
Then it's

C: Pages,Crooks, Pozo
1B: Burleson/Herrera, Gorman
2B: Wetherholt, Gorman, Urias
SS: Winn, Urias, Fermin
3B: Urineass: Gorman, Fermin
LF: Herrera/Burleson, Nootbaar, Fermin
CF: Scott, Nootbaar
RF: Walker, Nootbaar, Fermin
DH: Gorman, Herrera, Burleson

Saggese be gone
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Re: Ramon Urias

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And now, for a badly needed dose of reality.
Urias was dumped by 2 teams last season.
He landed, at age 31, in the dead-end Mexican league.
He had no other opportunities from an MLB club - only STL has any interest.
So, who and what is he?
Why sign him?
In his 5 year career, he reached 400 PA's one time.
Never started more than 84 games at one position in a season.
Ridiculous to think STL signed him to start at any position.
They did not.
He was signed for 3 precise reasons.
One, utility depth piece and injury insurance for 100 games.
Two, cheap potential trade piece at the summer deadline if he has not completely crashed.
Three, since Bloom failed to achieve any talent for Donovan who is remotely close to appearing in MLB as a position player, Urias is a poor man's RH version of Donovan's role as an infielder.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Melville wrote: 21 Feb 2026 12:26 pm
C-Unit wrote: 20 Feb 2026 20:17 pm Playing Saggese in leftfield is an interesting idea, at first I didn't like it but maybe it is better than having the weak arm at 3B. He may end up being the variety of versatile that isn't necessarily above average at any of the positions he plays.

So bringing in a veteran defensive 3B implies that they don't plan to give 3B 100% to Gorman. Gorman IMO should be the primary backup infielder, seeing time at 1B 2B, 3B, DH without having the majority at any position. Pick your spots with him where you can mix and match him against righties that throw a lot of middle-middle fastballs (if we face Mikolas).

C: Herrera, Pages, Pozo
1B: Burleson, Herrera, Gorman
2B: Wetherholt, Gorman, Urias
SS: Winn, Urias, Wetherholt?
3B: Urias: Gorman, Fermin?
LF: Saggese, Burleson, Nootbaar, Fermin
CF: Scott, Nootbaar
RF: Walker, Nootbaar
DH: Gorman, Herrera, Burleson

Looks like the longer Herrera sticks at C, the better chance Gorman has at getting semi-regular fulltime play as the DH, playing an infield spot on the days Burleson is the DH.

At a certain point, I think Saggese could become expendable honestly. Fermin is right-handed and can play better defense at every one of those positions.
Zero chance Herrera sticks as a starting catcher.
I also stated Saggese is the odd man out. I also agree, there is no chance Herrera plays C. He like too many others are DH only. Gorman is also a DH only, I don't feel he will hit enough to keep in the line up. So the 2 can platoon DH and hope Gorman can hit enough to stick in the roll.
However, they will roll them out there at C and 3b, where their defense will cost them runs and games. Until they eventually realize it's futile.
My opinion, by the end of the season, Herrera is full time DH, Gorman is gone. There is no place for a guy that Ks 38% of the time and has only hit 74 HRs and 134 XBHs in 1400 ABs.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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WaltsSuccessor wrote: 21 Feb 2026 10:33 am
12xu wrote: 21 Feb 2026 10:13 am
RamFan08NY wrote: 21 Feb 2026 09:59 am
12xu wrote: 21 Feb 2026 08:29 am If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.
A former GG winner, hits RH, has a little pop, hits RH pitching, and can play 3b or 2b. How does adding a player with that resume not make sense? It would be nice to have a few of those players on the bench.
All winter long, many of us have stressed how badly the Cardinals needed a RHH OF, which they have needed for years. They could have signed several good 30 year+ vets to fill that need for just a bit more than this IF has signed for. They already had Saggese, Fermin, and Gorman to play at 3B and/or 2B. When I and others posted about this, we were attacked by so many posters whose contention was that the Cards are in a rebuild, they don't need to sign old vets to keep the youngsters from getting PT.

Urias is not a bad UT IF, but seems to me that he was not the primary need for this team in 2026.
Did any of those good 30+ year old vet RHH OFers sign for $2m?
And how many of them were anxious to go to a rebuilding team on a somewhat lame duck season?
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Jobu's Rum wrote: 21 Feb 2026 11:39 am
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 21 Feb 2026 10:03 am What's the downside? $2mil, maybe. Otherwise, he's a gold glove defender with above league average offense. We are young and have zero idea how Saggesse, Gorman, JJ or any of these other dudes are going to pan out. If the kids rise to the occasion, Ramon doesn't play much and spells them from time to time. If the kids flop, you have a viable 3rd, 2nd or 1st base option. He can also be flipped at the deadline as he was last year. Again, zero downside.

Nah really dumb move. Why not just keep Arenado then? Both on the other side of 30, both good D at 3B, even nado provide a little more power. Youre still paying Nado the lion's share anyway. Or I would have rather kept Ramos even with a bad glove at his age and see if he could develop. Not like theyre winning anything in 26
Playing time - Urias doesn't require it. Nado would.
Money - Chance to basically clear Nado's contract going forward.
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Cardinals4Life wrote: 21 Feb 2026 14:01 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 21 Feb 2026 11:39 am
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 21 Feb 2026 10:03 am What's the downside? $2mil, maybe. Otherwise, he's a gold glove defender with above league average offense. We are young and have zero idea how Saggesse, Gorman, JJ or any of these other dudes are going to pan out. If the kids rise to the occasion, Ramon doesn't play much and spells them from time to time. If the kids flop, you have a viable 3rd, 2nd or 1st base option. He can also be flipped at the deadline as he was last year. Again, zero downside.

Nah really dumb move. Why not just keep Arenado then? Both on the other side of 30, both good D at 3B, even nado provide a little more power. Youre still paying Nado the lion's share anyway. Or I would have rather kept Ramos even with a bad glove at his age and see if he could develop. Not like theyre winning anything in 26
Playing time - Urias doesn't require it. Nado would.
Money - Chance to basically clear Nado's contract going forward.
Exactly.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Melville wrote: 21 Feb 2026 12:58 pm And now, for a badly needed dose of reality.
Urias was dumped by 2 teams last season.
He landed, at age 31, in the dead-end Mexican league.
He had no other opportunities from an MLB club - only STL has any interest.
So, who and what is he?
Why sign him?
In his 5 year career, he reached 400 PA's one time.
Never started more than 84 games at one position in a season.
Ridiculous to think STL signed him to start at any position.
They did not.
He was signed for 3 precise reasons.
One, utility depth piece and injury insurance for 100 games.
Two, cheap potential trade piece at the summer deadline if he has not completely crashed.
Three, since Bloom failed to achieve any talent for Donovan who is remotely close to appearing in MLB as a position player, Urias is a poor man's RH version of Donovan's role as an infielder.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
2.2 bWAR in just 391 PAs. He hasn't played SS in four years but plays the other three IF spots. 11 HRs last year so he has a little pop. Likely starts in AAA as a quality depth piece to cover for injuries.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Mort Gage wrote: 21 Feb 2026 14:25 pm
Melville wrote: 21 Feb 2026 12:58 pm And now, for a badly needed dose of reality.
Urias was dumped by 2 teams last season.
He landed, at age 31, in the dead-end Mexican league.
He had no other opportunities from an MLB club - only STL has any interest.
So, who and what is he?
Why sign him?
In his 5 year career, he reached 400 PA's one time.
Never started more than 84 games at one position in a season.
Ridiculous to think STL signed him to start at any position.
They did not.
He was signed for 3 precise reasons.
One, utility depth piece and injury insurance for 100 games.
Two, cheap potential trade piece at the summer deadline if he has not completely crashed.
Three, since Bloom failed to achieve any talent for Donovan who is remotely close to appearing in MLB as a position player, Urias is a poor man's RH version of Donovan's role as an infielder.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
2.2 bWAR in just 391 PAs. He hasn't played SS in four years but plays the other three IF spots. 11 HRs last year so he has a little pop. Likely starts in AAA as a quality depth piece to cover for injuries.
Agree - there is a very good chance of that.
Can Saggese and Fermin hold roster spots - or will one of them be bumped by Urias?
That is really what is signified by this signing.
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brock118 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 09:01 am
82birds wrote: 21 Feb 2026 08:58 am so it indeed IS a MLB contract.
I wonder who gets dropped from the 40-man?
Probably put Roby on 60 day or another pitcher like Hjerpe
surprise, surprise:


By Charlie Wright | February 21, 2026 at 12:59pm CDT

The Cardinals have designated right-hander Zak Kent for assignment, the team announced. The move opens up a spot on the 40-man roster for Ramon Urias, who agreed to a one-year deal. St. Louis claimed Kent off waivers from the Rangers earlier this week.
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Mort Gage wrote: 21 Feb 2026 14:25 pm
Melville wrote: 21 Feb 2026 12:58 pm And now, for a badly needed dose of reality.
Urias was dumped by 2 teams last season.
He landed, at age 31, in the dead-end Mexican league.
He had no other opportunities from an MLB club - only STL has any interest.
So, who and what is he?
Why sign him?
In his 5 year career, he reached 400 PA's one time.
Never started more than 84 games at one position in a season.
Ridiculous to think STL signed him to start at any position.
They did not.
He was signed for 3 precise reasons.
One, utility depth piece and injury insurance for 100 games.
Two, cheap potential trade piece at the summer deadline if he has not completely crashed.
Three, since Bloom failed to achieve any talent for Donovan who is remotely close to appearing in MLB as a position player, Urias is a poor man's RH version of Donovan's role as an infielder.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
2.2 bWAR in just 391 PAs. He hasn't played SS in four years but plays the other three IF spots. 11 HRs last year so he has a little pop. Likely starts in AAA as a quality depth piece to cover for injuries.
Ramon starts in AAA? Seriously doubt that.
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82birds wrote: 21 Feb 2026 15:12 pm
brock118 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 09:01 am
82birds wrote: 21 Feb 2026 08:58 am so it indeed IS a MLB contract.
I wonder who gets dropped from the 40-man?
Probably put Roby on 60 day or another pitcher like Hjerpe
surprise, surprise:


By Charlie Wright | February 21, 2026 at 12:59pm CDT

The Cardinals have designated right-hander Zak Kent for assignment, the team announced. The move opens up a spot on the 40-man roster for Ramon Urias, who agreed to a one-year deal. St. Louis claimed Kent off waivers from the Rangers earlier this week.
what a roller coaster ride it's been for Kent these last several weeks !
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Melville wrote: 21 Feb 2026 12:58 pm And now, for a badly needed dose of reality.
Urias was dumped by 2 teams last season.
He landed, at age 31, in the dead-end Mexican league.
He had no other opportunities from an MLB club - only STL has any interest.
So, who and what is he?
Why sign him?
In his 5 year career, he reached 400 PA's one time.
Never started more than 84 games at one position in a season.
Ridiculous to think STL signed him to start at any position.
They did not.
He was signed for 3 precise reasons.
One, utility depth piece and injury insurance for 100 games.
Two, cheap potential trade piece at the summer deadline if he has not completely crashed.
Three, since Bloom failed to achieve any talent for Donovan who is remotely close to appearing in MLB as a position player, Urias is a poor man's RH version of Donovan's role as an infielder.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.
It may be that you are correct, but they should not have offered him a Major League contract. If there was no other interest from any other MLB team as you claim, they should have not have offered him anything but a minor league deal.
This seems like the kind of dumb decision similar to a John Mozeliak move.
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Re: Ramon Urias

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Jobu's Rum wrote: 21 Feb 2026 11:39 am
TraveledLessRoad wrote: 21 Feb 2026 10:03 am What's the downside? $2mil, maybe. Otherwise, he's a gold glove defender with above league average offense. We are young and have zero idea how Saggesse, Gorman, JJ or any of these other dudes are going to pan out. If the kids rise to the occasion, Ramon doesn't play much and spells them from time to time. If the kids flop, you have a viable 3rd, 2nd or 1st base option. He can also be flipped at the deadline as he was last year. Again, zero downside.

Nah really dumb move. Why not just keep Arenado then? Both on the other side of 30, both good D at 3B, even nado provide a little more power. Youre still paying Nado the lion's share anyway. Or I would have rather kept Ramos even with a bad glove at his age and see if he could develop. Not like theyre winning anything in 26
Because Nado and Urias will likely have similar numbers offensively and defensively this year. And even with the money we put into the Nado deal, this saves us money. At the end of the day, this is a business and a strategic business decision was made in this particular case.
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