How many losses are too much for Bloom?

[mattmitchl44]

It's about player development not wins and losses.

[rage-STL]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

Not my experience..

Some have questionable priorities……at least by my values…

But none are rubes…

You are if you believe tanking will bring you a World Series title. It's only worked a couple of times and one of those was Houston's cheating scandal. The other was a thin skinned late inning victory that could have just as easily went the other way. Tanking only guarantee's losing.

I feel like the term "tanking" is dated now that the draft lottery is in place. Losing the most games doesn't guarantee you the top pick or even a top 5 pick. I'm also not overly concerned with the long range models people throw out and discuss on here regarding prospect accumulation, data points needing to be met in order to "compete" for a WS title. I don't necessarily think Bloom is looking to go the extremes a lot of posters fret about. I look at things through more of a right here, right now lens.

This team has been DOA the last 3 seasons with our last playoff appearance coming in 2022. We finished 4th in the NL Central last year, a division that sent 3 teams to the playoffs. We were 19 games behind the Brewers. I find getting rid of Gray, Arenado and Contreras refreshing. Those 3 made up the core of what we've been watching as fans the last 3 seasons. The roster shake up was sorely needed, now we all get to move forward.

My understanding is that the more you lose the higher your odds of getting a higher pick. Is that not right? I thought the Cards got very lucky in being able to draft JJ? Wasn't that the case? Getting rid of Gray and Contreras didn't make us better. Maybe Arenado, that remains to be seen. But getting rid of your best pitcher and your best offensive player is not a breath of fresh air, it's a recipe to lose more. Instead of filling the gaps with the team, ownership has decided to gut the team which will in all probability lead to a last place finish. When you're trying to improve a team, you don't get rid of your top talent for question marks. That's my opinion anyway.

I understand what you’re saying, but I just view it differently. The last 3 seasons have been exhausting as a fan.

Sonny Gray is a fine pitcher, really nice career to this point. The back of his baseball card shows he had a 4.28 ERA last year and a 1.23 WHIP. Not terrible by any means, but also not really flirting with high level or elite. At 36 years old, with the contract he was holding, and also saying he struggles to pitch effectively in the heat; I think it was wise to find a trade partner for him.

I liked the Willson Contreras signing. I wasn’t thrilled he was another Ex-Cub being brought in (Dexter Fowler), but I always liked Contreras’ energy and competitiveness. He was one of our best offensive players last year and transitioned smoothly to 1B. The back of his baseball card shows he had 20 HR, 80 RBI and a .791 OPS. Again, really nice production, but also not flirting with high level or elite. He’s turning 34 this season and finding a trade partner for him opens up a spot for our most recent Silver Slugger recipient (Alec Burleson) a home to know where he’s playing every day.

I was so fired up when we traded for Arenado. Absolutely love him as a player and his defense at 3B was a joy to watch. Battling injuries and age related decline over the last 3 seasons had gotten him to a point where a change of scenery seemed to be the best for both him and the Cardinals.

I hope all 3 of those guys go on and have great success with Boston and Arizona. All Bloom did was unburden the team from its higher, holdover contracts from the previous regime and recoup some assets while doing so. Necessary moves to reshape the clunky and disjointed roster construction that had this team handcuffed the last 3 seasons. Go see what we’ve got on the roster this year and continue to move forward. That’s how I see it and I’m excited to watch it unfold.

[earp]

one bad year is forgivable; three or more erode belief
Cards - Bloom need this:

Philadelphia Phillies (2022)]
Years of frustration and underperformance

A bold investment cycle (Harper, Wheeler, Realmuto)

A surprise postseason run in 2022 reignited the city instantly

Why it worked: A clear commitment to winning

Think the problem will be " bold investment cycle "-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Remember we are a Small Market Team
We are the LOU-whatever the HELL that is.

[Jeff Goldblum]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

[Cardinals1964]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

Didn’t the Cardinals move down in the draft after tanking in 2025? Not a great strategy.

Did they? I don't remember that. Maybe they could move down a few spots and still get a player they could comfortably sign. They signed Liam didn't they?

In the 2025 draft the Cardinals moved up from 13th to 5th and took Doyle.
2026 they dropped from 8th to 13th.
Tanking and the lottery doesn’t guarantee the best draft position any longer. Nor can you move up in the draft year after year.

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

[Banner29]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

There was a guy on here sometime ago that loved to use that line “I’ve forgotten more than you know about baseball”

He sold barbies and had routine mental breakdowns on here. Always kept getting banned and joining on a different screen name.

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

Not my experience..

Some have questionable priorities……at least by my values…

But none are rubes…

You are if you believe tanking will bring you a World Series title. It's only worked a couple of times and one of those was Houston's cheating scandal. The other was a thin skinned late inning victory that could have just as easily went the other way. Tanking only guarantee's losing.

I feel like the term "tanking" is dated now that the draft lottery is in place. Losing the most games doesn't guarantee you the top pick or even a top 5 pick. I'm also not overly concerned with the long range models people throw out and discuss on here regarding prospect accumulation, data points needing to be met in order to "compete" for a WS title. I don't necessarily think Bloom is looking to go the extremes a lot of posters fret about. I look at things through more of a right here, right now lens.

This team has been DOA the last 3 seasons with our last playoff appearance coming in 2022. We finished 4th in the NL Central last year, a division that sent 3 teams to the playoffs. We were 19 games behind the Brewers. I find getting rid of Gray, Arenado and Contreras refreshing. Those 3 made up the core of what we've been watching as fans the last 3 seasons. The roster shake up was sorely needed, now we all get to move forward.

My understanding is that the more you lose the higher your odds of getting a higher pick. Is that not right? I thought the Cards got very lucky in being able to draft JJ? Wasn't that the case? Getting rid of Gray and Contreras didn't make us better. Maybe Arenado, that remains to be seen. But getting rid of your best pitcher and your best offensive player is not a breath of fresh air, it's a recipe to lose more. Instead of filling the gaps with the team, ownership has decided to gut the team which will in all probability lead to a last place finish. When you're trying to improve a team, you don't get rid of your top talent for question marks. That's my opinion anyway.

I understand what you’re saying, but I just view it differently. The last 3 seasons have been exhausting as a fan.

Sonny Gray is a fine pitcher, really nice career to this point. The back of his baseball card shows he had a 4.28 ERA last year and a 1.23 WHIP. Not terrible by any means, but also not really flirting with high level or elite. At 36 years old, with the contract he was holding, and also saying he struggles to pitch effectively in the heat; I think it was wise to find a trade partner for him.

I liked the Willson Contreras signing. I wasn’t thrilled he was another Ex-Cub being brought in (Dexter Fowler), but I always liked Contreras’ energy and competitiveness. He was one of our best offensive players last year and transitioned smoothly to 1B. The back of his baseball card shows he had 20 HR, 80 RBI and a .791 OPS. Again, really nice production, but also not flirting with high level or elite. He’s turning 34 this season and finding a trade partner for him opens up a spot for our most recent Silver Slugger recipient (Alec Burleson) a home to know where he’s playing every day.

I was so fired up when we traded for Arenado. Absolutely love him as a player and his defense at 3B was a joy to watch. Battling injuries and age related decline over the last 3 seasons had gotten him to a point where a change of scenery seemed to be the best for both him and the Cardinals.

I hope all 3 of those guys go on and have great success with Boston and Arizona. All Bloom did was unburden the team from its higher, holdover contracts from the previous regime and recoup some assets while doing so. Necessary moves to reshape the clunky and disjointed roster construction that had this team handcuffed the last 3 seasons. Go see what we’ve got on the roster this year and continue to move forward. That’s how I see it and I’m excited to watch it unfold.

Well...Contreras was probably their best offensive threat, so they hurt the team by trading him and not replacing his production (yet). As for Gray, he was the top of the rotation for the Cards. Maybe he wasn't up to elite standards and maybe his age is catching up. It's true his contract was fairly rich, but it's not like they didn't know that when they signed him. Now you're faced with a rotation almost entirely populated with untested talent. The odds are that at least one or more will fail or get injured. The rotation is weak to begin with and now they've weakened even more. Maybe it'll work out but most likely it hurt the team this year and who knows if any will work out. As for Arenado, well...he kind of played himself out of the lineup bet he was still probably the best defensive option at 3rd. Even so, I didn't have a problem with trading Arenado, but I did have a problem with them paying most of the freight. If you're going to pay that much you better get some decent talent back. It doesn't look like that's the case to me. The biggest overall problem I have with the team is that they've made the conscious decision to lose on purpose. They could easily bump payroll and put a competent team on the field. So what if they don't win? At least they would compete and you never know when lightning strikes.

[Jeff Goldblum]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

Again, tanking isn't a viable strategy for baseball. It's called a rebuild. Stripping high dollar contracts for prospects and future free agents. The MLB draft is nothing like the NHL, NBA or even the NFL draft. It's a total crapshoot so tanking doesn't do anything.

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

There was a guy on here sometime ago that loved to use that line “I’ve forgotten more than you know about baseball”

He sold barbies and had routine mental breakdowns on here. Always kept getting banned and joining on a different screen name.

It's a very common phrase. Surely you've come across it before. BTW...How do you know he sold Barbies? Did you buy one? And how do you know he had mental breakdowns? Did you know him personally? And while we're at it, how did you know he joined with different screen names? Do you have some kind of insider knowledge of the board and its workings? Hmmmm...

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

Didn’t the Cardinals move down in the draft after tanking in 2025? Not a great strategy.

Did they? I don't remember that. Maybe they could move down a few spots and still get a player they could comfortably sign. They signed Liam didn't they?

In the 2025 draft the Cardinals moved up from 13th to 5th and took Doyle.
2026 they dropped from 8th to 13th.
Tanking and the lottery doesn’t guarantee the best draft position any longer. Nor can you move up in the draft year after year.

But losing does give you a better percentage chance, right?

[Banner29]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

There was a guy on here sometime ago that loved to use that line “I’ve forgotten more than you know about baseball”

He sold barbies and had routine mental breakdowns on here. Always kept getting banned and joining on a different screen name.

It's a very common phrase. Surely you've come across it before. BTW...How do you know he sold Barbies? Did you buy one? And how do you know he had mental breakdowns? Did you know him personally? And while we're at it, how did you know he joined with different screen names? Do you have some kind of insider knowledge of the board and its workings? Hmmmm...

He told us, we witnessed them, and he admit to it……


The better question is why are you so defensive about this individual?….

[CCard]

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

There was a guy on here sometime ago that loved to use that line “I’ve forgotten more than you know about baseball”

He sold barbies and had routine mental breakdowns on here. Always kept getting banned and joining on a different screen name.

It's a very common phrase. Surely you've come across it before. BTW...How do you know he sold Barbies? Did you buy one? And how do you know he had mental breakdowns? Did you know him personally? And while we're at it, how did you know he joined with different screen names? Do you have some kind of insider knowledge of the board and its workings? Hmmmm...

He told us, we witnessed them, and he admit to it……


The better question is why are you so defensive about this individual?….

LOL...looking for smoke where there ain't any fire. Nice try though.

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

Again, tanking isn't a viable strategy for baseball. It's called a rebuild. Stripping high dollar contracts for prospects and future free agents. The MLB draft is nothing like the NHL, NBA or even the NFL draft. It's a total crapshoot so tanking doesn't do anything.

So you're saying that you don't get a better percentage chance depending on your record?

[Jeff Goldblum]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

Again, tanking isn't a viable strategy for baseball. It's called a rebuild. Stripping high dollar contracts for prospects and future free agents. The MLB draft is nothing like the NHL, NBA or even the NFL draft. It's a total crapshoot so tanking doesn't do anything.

So you're saying that you don't get a better percentage chance depending on your record?

Holy [shirt] it's like talking to a dog.

[CCard]

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Actually, you're the one embarrassing himself. You don't even understand what a rebuild is.

LOL...I've forgotten more than you know about baseball. Been a Cards fan and follower for 50 years. Teams "rebuild" every year. Even the Dodgers are rebuilding, the difference is they spend. Every team has rebuild on their list in the off season. Some teams though are intent on gutting the roster. This is called tanking and is frowned upon by knowledgeable fans.

Again, tanking isn't a viable strategy for baseball. It's called a rebuild. Stripping high dollar contracts for prospects and future free agents. The MLB draft is nothing like the NHL, NBA or even the NFL draft. It's a total crapshoot so tanking doesn't do anything.

So you're saying that you don't get a better percentage chance depending on your record?

Holy [shirt] it's like talking to a dog.

Yes, the MLB Draft lottery is based on the records of teams that did not make the postseason, with the three teams having the worst records each receiving an equal chance of securing the top pick. The lottery determines the first six picks, while the remaining selections are based on the previous season's win-loss records.
Sounds like you're the only one barking, smart guy.