How many losses are too much for Bloom?

[Ronnie Dobbs]

There is no magic number of losses. It's not about wins or losses this season. Unless the team just rebels against him, but that's a different reason. This season is about how Bloom and Oli work together and if Bloom thinks it will work moving forward.

[Cardinals4Life]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

Not my experience..

Some have questionable priorities……at least by my values…

But none are rubes…

Some posters on here are rubes

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

Not my experience..

Some have questionable priorities……at least by my values…

But none are rubes…

You are if you believe tanking will bring you a World Series title. It's only worked a couple of times and one of those was Houston's cheating scandal. The other was a thin skinned late inning victory that could have just as easily went the other way. Tanking only guarantee's losing.

I feel like the term "tanking" is dated now that the draft lottery is in place. Losing the most games doesn't guarantee you the top pick or even a top 5 pick. I'm also not overly concerned with the long range models people throw out and discuss on here regarding prospect accumulation, data points needing to be met in order to "compete" for a WS title. I don't necessarily think Bloom is looking to go the extremes a lot of posters fret about. I look at things through more of a right here, right now lens.

This team has been DOA the last 3 seasons with our last playoff appearance coming in 2022. We finished 4th in the NL Central last year, a division that sent 3 teams to the playoffs. We were 19 games behind the Brewers. I find getting rid of Gray, Arenado and Contreras refreshing. Those 3 made up the core of what we've been watching as fans the last 3 seasons. The roster shake up was sorely needed, now we all get to move forward.

My understanding is that the more you lose the higher your odds of getting a higher pick. Is that not right? I thought the Cards got very lucky in being able to draft JJ? Wasn't that the case? Getting rid of Gray and Contreras didn't make us better. Maybe Arenado, that remains to be seen. But getting rid of your best pitcher and your best offensive player is not a breath of fresh air, it's a recipe to lose more. Instead of filling the gaps with the team, ownership has decided to gut the team which will in all probability lead to a last place finish. When you're trying to improve a team, you don't get rid of your top talent for question marks. That's my opinion anyway.

[Jatalk]

Haven’t you read the other threads? Oli is on double secret probation. Yadi is the real manager. Albert hitting coach and Waino will coach pitching and guitar playing.

[Jeff Goldblum]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

[Dazepster]

Don't know there is a big priority on W/L record. Certainly still in high end talent acquisition phase. A higher draft slot is more valuable than a poser run.

[Clubmaker2]

Will the number of bodies in seats be a bigger factor?

[Cardinals1964]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

3 losses.

[Cardinals1964]

Will the number of bodies in seats be a bigger factor?

I like that view point.

[Cardinals1964]

There is no magic number of losses. It's not about wins or losses this season. Unless the team just rebels against him, but that's a different reason. This season is about how Bloom and Oli work together and if Bloom thinks it will work moving forward.

Great answer.

[Cardinals1964]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

You should write fiction for a living. You’d be a $millionaire. Your creativity is extraordinary. The editor would have you cut out tanking, but I truly admire your creativity.

[Cardinals1964]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

Didn’t the Cardinals move down in the draft after tanking in 2025? Not a great strategy.

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

Didn’t the Cardinals move down in the draft after tanking in 2025? Not a great strategy.

Did they? I don't remember that. Maybe they could move down a few spots and still get a player they could comfortably sign. They signed Liam didn't they?

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

You should write fiction for a living. You’d be a $millionaire. Your creativity is extraordinary. The editor would have you cut out tanking, but I truly admire your creativity.

My scenario fits the facts. You can't prove anything different, you just have your "feelings".

[CCard]

To stick with Oli?

No one expects them to contend this year. They will be closer to 70 wins than 90. But, there does come a point at which even Bloom can't ignore a level of 'failure'.

I think triple digit losses could be too much, even on a rebuilding team.

Bloom was brought here to do a job. He was tasked with tanking the team and he has a long rope. His job is to fool the rubes into thinking that he's building a mythical beast to be unleashed after a few years of tanking. It's going according to the billionaires schedule. The fans be damned.

Cards fans are “rubes” now…?

Ok

Just the ones that believe in tanking.

It's not tanking. They aren't losing on purpose to get a high draft pick. They are forced to tear down the smoldering remains left over from Mo to create a new foundation.

Are they not deliberately gutting the team? Is that not going to cause the team to lose? You can deny it but it is tanking. Did Chicago tank before they won their World Series? Did Houston? Yes, it is tanking.

They are gutting the team because Mo screwed up the organization so badly. Have to start from scratch.

There we are, the old blame Mo trope. I'm sure trading for some no name pitching and trading away your best players will set everything right. All hail Bloom, the savior in Tampa and Boston. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.