Just how dumb are the "BFIB" and the local media?

[Cardinals4Life]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

C'mon Rock, you know it wouldn't have taken that much $ to fix the Cards. I am willing to give Bloom a chance because, honestly, I am not in control of the Cardinals. I am willing to see what better talent we can acquire for a season or so, then spend back to the $180M level again. However, I am skeptical the wallet will ever be opened up to that level ever again. (Honestly needs to be higher - baseball inflation continues to grow, yet we dont seem willing to.) But.....if ownership wasn't cheap, the Cards could be turned into a playoff team in one offseason. Just saying!

[Imperial Capitalist]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

My man! Let me buy you a round of Budwieser. You can't get through to these losers, they have Berine Mikoas and BenFred to tell them their talking points.

You'll change your mind when I say that the loss of all of that prodn, plus their inability to go out and purchase it eqivalent at prevailing mkt wages, is the reason they should have started the rebuild in 2023. The season in 2022 was a highly unique year, hence my rebuttal to sj2, who likes to hold it up...as you do...a template to be followed vs appreciating it for what it was.

I do fault Dewitt for not adding more at that time to make that final push for post-season success given they did go out and acquire PG abd NA, which were wonderful deals.

Still, with 23's reality, if PG and NA could have been traded while still somewhat owning the aura of 2022's personal successes, that would have been a great way to kick-start the reset/rebuild.

All systems end, Ike. Ours took its final breath 3+ years ago. The Cardinals have to walk a path teams like the LAD, PHI, and NYY, among others, don't if they want to go deep into October.

[Bomber1]

Ike's back on the sauce. careful everyone

The only rational explanation for this kind of trolling is, he works for the P-D and is paid, rather poorly, to drive traffic. The stupidity is just too far over the top for it to be a real person, with these real thoughts.

To be fair, he was this stupid and nonsensical in the past. I don't remember exactly when or about what but his name and level of ignorance are hard to forget.

It has to be trolling. Every one of these whackos seems to live under the delusion that Cards Talk posters somehow control the FO moves of the Cardinals organization.

It's like an angry old man yelling at a cloud because his soup was cold.

His rants/posts remind me of someone who was probably banned?
I asked him his previous screen name and he didn’t respond.
I admit that missing the playoffs three straight years is a bummer....but NOW he’s leading me to believe that as a “bfib” that I AM RESPONSIBLE.
Yikes

Yeah. I kind of do hold you responsible. Where are all of you bandwagon "fans" in the stands? Oh, you all love the club and are first in line for a championship parade and push me aside but can't be found
when they actually need support. No, you are obviously entitled!

Eat !

Are the voices in your head always loud?

Or only during the 2-3 times per year that you decide to share them with us?

Genuinely curious.

[RichieRichSTL]

I love how difficult the concept of a rebuild is to understand. Can't wait for the "Can't Believe They Didn't Acquire Anybody at the Deadline" threads on August 1st when the Cardinals are in fourth place.

So you want to be in 4th place and trade whatever is good or promising for prospects? You think that is the winning strategy? Thanks for exactly proving my point.

I know I'd rather shoot for 2nd or 3rd place, hope to be close to a playoff spot and having a mediocre farm system. Maybe we could go from 78 wins to 84 and call it a victory.

We tried to Mo, half-*ssed way and it doesn't work. If you think grandpa BDW is just going to open the wallet and spend 200M to be competitive now, you aren't living in reality. If we had a POBO that recognized that the offseason after 2023 should have been the start of a rebuild, then maybe we'd be closer to a competitive window. Did you think we were going to be competitive in 2026?

[alw80]

Okay, let's trade away our best players for prospects. Let's vow to not spend, not even try to be competitive and alienate real fans that want to show up.

Even if your prospects work out, your model is to trade them for more prospects, that only keeps you in a state of infinite rebuilding. Just how many of your lottery tickets will become hall of famers? Show me those stats.

Just how many lottery tickets do you think you will hit the grand prize on? Even if you get a few lottery ticket wins, the people like Warren Buffet and great investors will still beat you.

Good job, you are turning the Cards into the Pirates. Can you quit being dumb please?

[scoutyjones2]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

My man! Let me buy you a round of Budwieser. You can't get through to these losers, they have Berine Mikoas and BenFred to tell them their talking points.

[RichieRichSTL]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

People like that are living in a dream world and not reality. 2022 was a magic year that ended with a thud. Let's face it, Pujols brought a vibe, an energy, an excitement, a focus to that time that would have otherwise not happened. People like that are arrogant and they are jack*sses to other posters and pretend they have they answers.

Pro trip: Their are just like everyone else here, rendering their opinion, they are just rude and arrogant about it.

To anyone with a half a brain, you don't just go from a 2022 to a 2023 crash and float around .500 in the two seasons that follow because you are on the precipice of contending.

It has been clear the Cardinals do not have enough elite talent to be a serious contender EVEN if they somehow scrape together enough to limp into the playoffs. Yes, it's a team game and yes have the unheralded shine, BUT you have to have enough elite talent, especially who work well under pressure to advance far. You face some of the more elite pitchers and hitters in the playoffs, you need to have talented enough players to do well against them and/or match inning for inning against or run production against.

Where do people like him think we are going to get the elite talent? Other teams were going to gift them to us in a trade? BDW would go out of character and go on a wild spending spree. It literally has been 3 seasons since our last decent season and as you correctly pointed out, our level of elite talent has deterioriated since then. They saw the Mo, halfway approach and what an utter failure it was.

Folks like that need to Sit TFD and watch instead of lecturing everyone about how the new regime is doing it all wrong.

[Cusecards]

Ike's back on the sauce. careful everyone

The only rational explanation for this kind of trolling is, he works for the P-D and is paid, rather poorly, to drive traffic. The stupidity is just too far over the top for it to be a real person, with these real thoughts.

To be fair, he was this stupid and nonsensical in the past. I don't remember exactly when or about what but his name and level of ignorance are hard to forget.

It has to be trolling. Every one of these whackos seems to live under the delusion that Cards Talk posters somehow control the FO moves of the Cardinals organization.

It's like an angry old man yelling at a cloud because his soup was cold.

His rants/posts remind me of someone who was probably banned?
I asked him his previous screen name and he didn’t respond.
I admit that missing the playoffs three straight years is a bummer....but NOW he’s leading me to believe that as a “bfib” that I AM RESPONSIBLE.
Yikes

Yeah. I kind of do hold you responsible. Where are all of you bandwagon "fans" in the stands? Oh, you all love the club and are first in line for a championship parade and push me aside but can't be found
when they actually need support. No, you are obviously entitled!

Eat !

Hmmm......ok sorry but I live on the East Coast.
Have been to a couple of games in St. Louis and many more when they played in NY.
Question?
Do you hold YOURSELF responsible in any way?

[Carp4Cy]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

People like that are living in a dream world and not reality. 2022 was a magic year that ended with a thud. Let's face it, Pujols brought a vibe, an energy, an excitement, a focus to that time that would have otherwise not happened. People like that are arrogant and they are jack*sses to other posters and pretend they have they answers.

Pro trip: Their are just like everyone else here, rendering their opinion, they are just rude and arrogant about it.

To anyone with a half a brain, you don't just go from a 2022 to a 2023 crash and float around .500 in the two seasons that follow because you are on the precipice of contending.

It has been clear the Cardinals do not have enough elite talent to be a serious contender EVEN if they somehow scrape together enough to limp into the playoffs. Yes, it's a team game and yes have the unheralded shine, BUT you have to have enough elite talent, especially who work well under pressure to advance far. You face some of the more elite pitchers and hitters in the playoffs, you need to have talented enough players to do well against them and/or match inning for inning against or run production against.

Where do people like him think we are going to get the elite talent? Other teams were going to gift them to us in a trade? BDW would go out of character and go on a wild spending spree. It literally has been 3 seasons since our last decent season and as you correctly pointed out, our level of elite talent has deterioriated since then. They saw the Mo, halfway approach and what an utter failure it was.

Folks like that need to Sit TFD and watch instead of lecturing everyone about how the new regime is doing it all wrong.

What we had at the point of the thud, and still have, is the Wrong manager.

[Melville]

Okay, let's trade away our best players for prospects. Let's vow to not spend, not even try to be competitive and alienate real fans that want to show up.

Even if your prospects work out, your model is to trade them for more prospects, that only keeps you in a state of infinite rebuilding. Just how many of your lottery tickets will become hall of famers? Show me those stats.

Just how many lottery tickets do you think you will hit the grand prize on? Even if you get a few lottery ticket wins, the people like Warren Buffet and great investors will still beat you.

Good job, you are turning the Cards into the Pirates. Can you quit being dumb please?

The initial portion of your question is open to debate, and the latter portion appears to be rhetorical.

[Ike Hammett]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

My man! Let me buy you a round of Budwieser. You can't get through to these losers, they have Berine Mikoas and BenFred to tell them their talking points.

You'll change your mind when I say that the loss of all of that prodn, plus their inability to go out and purchase it eqivalent at prevailing mkt wages, is the reason they should have started the rebuild in 2023. The season in 2022 was a highly unique year, hence my rebuttal to sj2, who likes to hold it up...as you do...a template to be followed vs appreciating it for what it was.

I do fault Dewitt for not adding more at that time to make that final push for post-season success given they did go out and acquire PG abd NA, which were wonderful deals.

Still, with 23's reality, if PG and NA could have been traded while still somewhat owning the aura of 2022's personal successes, that would have been a great way to kick-start the reset/rebuild.

All systems end, Ike. Ours took its final breath 3+ years ago. The Cardinals have to walk a path teams like the LAD, PHI, and NYY, among others, don't if they want to go deep into October.

I loved that 2023 Cards team. On paper I thought they were going to be even better than the 2022 team i loved. They got Contreras to replace an old Yadi and Pujols and he was coming off an all star game start. Plus cleared the runway for a younger player. They upgraded a division winning 93 win team that most everyone thought was better than the Phillies. Not sure what more could've been added at a reasonable value.

When and IF this team rebuilds the best they can hope for is those 22 and 2023 teams. If these "BFIB" can't love those teams and want to boycott that and that model (which lasted a generation and didn't have to end) then can they be happy with anything? So they all got their way, are the Cardinals way better now? Are they all going to show up and root hard for their great change?

[Cranny]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

My man! Let me buy you a round of Budwieser. You can't get through to these losers, they have Berine Mikoas and BenFred to tell them their talking points.

You'll change your mind when I say that the loss of all of that prodn, plus their inability to go out and purchase it eqivalent at prevailing mkt wages, is the reason they should have started the rebuild in 2023. The season in 2022 was a highly unique year, hence my rebuttal to sj2, who likes to hold it up...as you do...a template to be followed vs appreciating it for what it was.

I do fault Dewitt for not adding more at that time to make that final push for post-season success given they did go out and acquire PG abd NA, which were wonderful deals.

Still, with 23's reality, if PG and NA could have been traded while still somewhat owning the aura of 2022's personal successes, that would have been a great way to kick-start the reset/rebuild.

All systems end, Ike. Ours took its final breath 3+ years ago. The Cardinals have to walk a path teams like the LAD, PHI, and NYY, among others, don't if they want to go deep into October.

I loved that 2023 Cards team. On paper I thought they were going to be even better than the 2022 team i loved. They got Contreras to replace an old Yadi and Pujols and he was coming off an all star game start. Plus cleared the runway for a younger player. They upgraded a division winning 93 win team that most everyone thought was better than the Phillies. Not sure what more could've been added at a reasonable value.

When and IF this team rebuilds the best they can hope for is those 22 and 2023 teams. If these "BFIB" can't love those teams and want to boycott that and that model (which lasted a generation and didn't have to end) then can they be happy with anything? So they all got their way, are the Cardinals way better now? Are they all going to show up and root hard for their great change?

They’re probably just going to pout some more.

[Ike Hammett]

2023
71 - 91

2024
83 - 79

2025
78 - 84

What's the definition of insanity? (doing the same thing over & over again and expecting a different result)

And No........BDWJr wasn't going to throw $200-250M in payroll to fix the above problem.

2022?

As you're well aware...

1. League MVP
2. 2nd-runner up, league MVP
3. All-time great/HOF who led league in HR after ASB.
4. Two pitching acquisitions with 9-5 record & sub-3.00 era.
5. Final good seasons from Mikolas & Wainwright & their ~ 400 innings.

The loss of all of that helped bring about 23-25.

My man! Let me buy you a round of Budwieser. You can't get through to these losers, they have Berine Mikoas and BenFred to tell them their talking points.

You'll change your mind when I say that the loss of all of that prodn, plus their inability to go out and purchase it eqivalent at prevailing mkt wages, is the reason they should have started the rebuild in 2023. The season in 2022 was a highly unique year, hence my rebuttal to sj2, who likes to hold it up...as you do...a template to be followed vs appreciating it for what it was.

I do fault Dewitt for not adding more at that time to make that final push for post-season success given they did go out and acquire PG abd NA, which were wonderful deals.

Still, with 23's reality, if PG and NA could have been traded while still somewhat owning the aura of 2022's personal successes, that would have been a great way to kick-start the reset/rebuild.

All systems end, Ike. Ours took its final breath 3+ years ago. The Cardinals have to walk a path teams like the LAD, PHI, and NYY, among others, don't if they want to go deep into October.

I loved that 2023 Cards team. On paper I thought they were going to be even better than the 2022 team i loved. They got Contreras to replace an old Yadi and Pujols and he was coming off an all star game start. Plus cleared the runway for a younger player. They upgraded a division winning 93 win team that most everyone thought was better than the Phillies. Not sure what more could've been added at a reasonable value.

When and IF this team rebuilds the best they can hope for is those 22 and 2023 teams. If these "BFIB" can't love those teams and want to boycott that and that model (which lasted a generation and didn't have to end) then can they be happy with anything? So they all got their way, are the Cardinals way better now? Are they all going to show up and root hard for their great change?

They’re probably just going to pout some more.

Yeah, probably, knowing my luck these haters investments in lottery tickets will cash out and they will say they were right for buying lottery tickets instead of investing in the S&P 500 which might go down.

[ClassicO]

Does the OP have reasonable solutions he wants to offer?
Complaining is easy. Providing answers is not.

Personally I don’t want to see another year like the last few years, and keeping the same players would have led to that. They are long past the ability to fix the plane while it’s in flight.
The only way to significantly improve the team is to take risks with younger players, and to draft/trade in order to develop a young core that Tier One free agents would want to join. No top FA wants to join the hot mess of the past few seasons — and it makes no sense to sign such a free agent until there is solid young core.

I do. Do exactly what they are doing without gutting payroll $100m. Add 2-3 young superstars to draw fans back to the stadium. Why does trading old guys for prospects have to mean cutting payroll? 2 separate issues.

Just how do you propose to add 2-3 young superstars.

Teams almost never trade their young superstars. And by the time superstars reach FA, they typically aren't "young" anymore.

I have read similar posts from others. Or "trade X, Y and Z" (mediocre Cards' players) for an "all-star power-hitting OF."
None contains any proposals as to who or how the Cards would acquire even one, much less 2-3 young superstars, or the mythical MOTO OF.

I have been critical of the Cards' management for not spending money when 1) they can easily afford it, and 2) not spending to have a great team leads to lower profits (operating income and increased team value). But as you and I have oft-said: it's not reasonable to do this - or expect any FA to come here - until they rebuild the core.

[45s]

Okay, let's trade away our best players for prospects. Let's vow to not spend, not even try to be competitive and alienate real fans that want to show up.

Even if your prospects work out, your model is to trade them for more prospects, that only keeps you in a state of infinite rebuilding. Just how many of your lottery tickets will become hall of famers? Show me those stats.

Just how many lottery tickets do you think you will hit the grand prize on? Even if you get a few lottery ticket wins, the people like Warren Buffet and great investors will still beat you.

Good job, you are turning the Cards into the Pirates. Can you quit being dumb please?

Their “best “ players led them to 84 losses and a fourth place finish

What are you clinging to?

[Ike Hammett]

Okay, let's trade away our best players for prospects. Let's vow to not spend, not even try to be competitive and alienate real fans that want to show up.

Even if your prospects work out, your model is to trade them for more prospects, that only keeps you in a state of infinite rebuilding. Just how many of your lottery tickets will become hall of famers? Show me those stats.

Just how many lottery tickets do you think you will hit the grand prize on? Even if you get a few lottery ticket wins, the people like Warren Buffet and great investors will still beat you.

Good job, you are turning the Cards into the Pirates. Can you quit being dumb please?

Their “best “ players led them to 84 losses and a fourth place finish

What are you clinging to?

What am I clinging too? Great question. Probably the model and people that have brought so much winning, good times and a positive impact on the community.What is the opposite you seek?