Dodgers' Luxury Tax

[juan good eye]

Yes, baseball is broken. The only people who refuse that fact are either fans of those few large markets or complete idiots.

No, it's the opposite! Dodgers fans showed up 4 million strong, root like crazy ( in a fun and happy way) people love their players and management, love baseball and pay big bucks to see it.

The system isn't really that broken, you "best fans in baseball" are. Yeah, Cards could definitely use a TV deal like that.

"It's the opposite" and "it isn't really that broken" are contradictory.

You're getting a little bit closer to the truth with your last sentence though. Keep going!

The two are not mutually exclusive, I get what you are stating though. No system will ever be completely perfect. Good luck trying to sell Cards fans on a more socialist type MLB TV structure or economic structure. Maybe the biggest downfall of Cards baseball and MLB is that. Everyone for themselves, right? Dodgers fans don't really think that way, they are in it together and want what is best for everyone, at least from my experience.

NFL and NHL are pretty balanced. I'm rooting for a lockout if rules aren't changed. Player's salaries have caught up enough the past 25 years.

I'm certainly not arguing this. Baseball is for everyone, it's for kids and a pastime to get through the day. Back in the day our great grandparents treated our sports heroes to discount groceries and a friendly smile and genuine caring about their families and lives. Today the love is 10s and hundreds of millions. That's capitalism and what Cards fans fight for, maybe the hardest of all fans. So deal with it.

I'm laughing at the socialism and capitalism mentions. This isn't government and different countries being discussed. It's entertainment. What fun is entertainment when it's imbalanced?

We get it. You hate capitalism.

Do you think he hates eBay?

[TheJackBurton]

Yes, baseball is broken. The only people who refuse that fact are either fans of those few large markets or complete idiots.

No, it's the opposite! Dodgers fans showed up 4 million strong, root like crazy ( in a fun and happy way) people love their players and management, love baseball and pay big bucks to see it.

The system isn't really that broken, you "best fans in baseball" are. Yeah, Cards could definitely use a TV deal like that.

Dodgers drew 4 million in an area of maybe 14M to 18M people with a peaking team.

Cardinals drew 2.5 million in an area of maybe 3M people with a cratering team. Okay, be honest, it was 2.5M tickets but 1.5M people .

This huge difference shows up most strongly in Monday to Thursday games... which is around half of the games.
Working people aren't often going drive over an hour to attend a weeknight game.
They would watch on TV, but MLB is rarely on TV outside of St Louis unless you pay for a package.

There are 3 teams in Southern California. The Cards have historically owned the Southern Midwest and still have fans in lots of other places around the Midwest. Maybe if Cardinals fan types didn't kill economies and adopted a more fun loving and open type mindset you wouldn't destroy St. Louis either and more fans would show up during the week.

What in the holy hell are you even talking about?

Not sure if we are allowed to conversate about such things, but this topic has passed and it's about luxury tax. THE PEOPLE OF HOLLYWOOD CAN AND DO AFFORD A LUXURY TAX AND HAVE WORLD CHAMPS TO ROOT FOR! The people of rural West Virginia, Kansas, Arkansas etc are whining about their luxury tax being hire than the whole payroll of the Cards. So root for the rural West Virginia team as i want to compete with the Dodgers! I'm not "talking" I'm posting about economics and the structures of economics. Which you lose at like you do at baseball!

None of this makes any sense unless you just did an 8 ball before typing any of it.

What is so hard to understand?

Dodgers and people of LA/ Hollywood are rich. Cardinals fans from rural Oklahoma, Kansas West Virginia, Missouri are not. It's obvious as to why, and obvious as to why more players would rather go there.

What do economic situations have to do with anything? The Cards are one of the richest franchises in baseball even with those "backwoods hillbillies" buying up those tickets compared to Champagne ticket buyers.

Do you even have any idea what point you are trying to make?

It doesn't matter if all the Cards attracted was billionaires, they don't have a tv market of 18 million people, they have a tv market of 3 million that's the difference in today's baseball world.

The Dodgers make money before they sell ticket 1, the Cards don't. Your point is completely idiotic.

[Ike Hammett]

Yes, baseball is broken. The only people who refuse that fact are either fans of those few large markets or complete idiots.

No, it's the opposite! Dodgers fans showed up 4 million strong, root like crazy ( in a fun and happy way) people love their players and management, love baseball and pay big bucks to see it.

The system isn't really that broken, you "best fans in baseball" are. Yeah, Cards could definitely use a TV deal like that.

Dodgers drew 4 million in an area of maybe 14M to 18M people with a peaking team.

Cardinals drew 2.5 million in an area of maybe 3M people with a cratering team. Okay, be honest, it was 2.5M tickets but 1.5M people .

This huge difference shows up most strongly in Monday to Thursday games... which is around half of the games.
Working people aren't often going drive over an hour to attend a weeknight game.
They would watch on TV, but MLB is rarely on TV outside of St Louis unless you pay for a package.

There are 3 teams in Southern California. The Cards have historically owned the Southern Midwest and still have fans in lots of other places around the Midwest. Maybe if Cardinals fan types didn't kill economies and adopted a more fun loving and open type mindset you wouldn't destroy St. Louis either and more fans would show up during the week.

What in the holy hell are you even talking about?

Not sure if we are allowed to conversate about such things, but this topic has passed and it's about luxury tax. THE PEOPLE OF HOLLYWOOD CAN AND DO AFFORD A LUXURY TAX AND HAVE WORLD CHAMPS TO ROOT FOR! The people of rural West Virginia, Kansas, Arkansas etc are whining about their luxury tax being hire than the whole payroll of the Cards. So root for the rural West Virginia team as i want to compete with the Dodgers! I'm not "talking" I'm posting about economics and the structures of economics. Which you lose at like you do at baseball!

None of this makes any sense unless you just did an 8 ball before typing any of it.

What is so hard to understand?

Dodgers and people of LA/ Hollywood are rich. Cardinals fans from rural Oklahoma, Kansas West Virginia, Missouri are not. It's obvious as to why, and obvious as to why more players would rather go there.

What do economic situations have to do with anything? The Cards are one of the richest franchises in baseball even with those "backwoods hillbillies" buying up those tickets compared to Champagne ticket buyers.

Do you even have any idea what point you are trying to make?

It doesn't matter if all the Cards attracted was billionaires, they don't have a tv market of 18 million people, they have a tv market of 3 million that's the difference in today's baseball world.

The Dodgers make money before they sell ticket 1, the Cards don't. Your point is completely idiotic.

"What do economic situations have to do with anything?" What kind of babbling nonsense is this? Obviously people and fans that have better economic situations can support their team and recreational activities at better levels, have more free time to enjoy them, can and will enjoy them along with being in a position to do so if they want.

Prove to me the Cards are " one of the richest richest franchises in baseball". I see a team struggling to keep their head above water trying to remain relevant as the big dogs scavenge their parts for something that might help them.

Not all Cards fans are " backwoods hillbillies" and I WOULD NEVER STATE SUCH A THING! A lot of Dodgers fans are immigrants and of not ""champagne" type fans, just folks that love baseball, America and want to be a part of something successful they can identify with.

Obviously the point I'm trying to make (on this headline and particular subject) is, the Dodgers can draw the masses, they can get the people to buy into what they are selling, generate huge revenues (even to a point of subsidies for other clubs). That their fans show up in huge numbers, support the club and are happy. I'm not certain people and fans like you could ever be happy or support their club like that. And if you can't or don't, they beat you AND DESERVE TOO!

Like I stated, there are 3 teams in Southern California and another one soon coming to Las Vegas, along with about another dozen pro teams to root for. YES!!! Southern California is baseball crazy but the Dodgers don't have a monopoly on it and neither does baseball, THEY EARN THAT BUSINESS!

I think it's kind of confusing and contradicting to state the Cards are one of the richest teams, yet make no money and you think crying poor for ticket sales. The Cards definitely need ticket sales and fans to show up, be happy, support the club, and build it up.

You are terrible girl!