Kyrou Injury

[TheJackBurton]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I don't think Kyrou has to skate like his hair is on fire, but there are very few in the league who should be able to keep up with him and he doesn't use his speed nearly enough.

He absolutely is paid to score goals and drive offense and he isn't doing that nearly enough this season. Thomas is paid for assists, goals and to play shutdown center and he's doing one of the three well this season. Buch is paid to score, assist, and play above average defense, and until lately he was only doing 1 of the 3.

Right now Kyrou has 8 goals 8 assists in 27 games. That's a 25 goal pace and a 50 point season. That is nowhere near good enough for a guy who the past 4 seasons has gone: 27-48-75 37-36-73 31-36-67 36-34-70

I could see it if he was getting a ton of chances and he's just been snakebit, but he's not. He's just not driving the offense like he should and that's the problem.

[somni]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Yes. I'm proud to say that my daughter was one of the developers of Postnet as just a HIGH SCHOOL student intern! The Post Dispatch reached out to various high schools and asked for recommendations of a few kids to come in assist with this new application technology. She is by no means a computer programmer techie type, but she possessed other skills which eventually affected her college and academic degree, and eventually rocketed her to a very globally reponsible management position in a globally recognized top company. Our first internet access and email address was via the Postnet dialup and ISP. She is not quite the hockey fan as I, but she couldn't help but have to become one nevertheless. So, she had worked on the first Hockey Chatroom at the site.
Please forgive me for indulging in how proud I am of her. Hopefully you parents in the forum understand. I would just read the Blues Forum until late in 2024, until I went ahead and created a login and participate. I try to control myself. I fail sometimes. I try not to and probably have never started "it," but it's my nature to finish it. And I only know one way to take that on.
A lot of very sagacious posters on here, whom I appreciate learning from!

That's incredible. What a world.

And you should be proud. I have a 14 year old daughter...so I understand completely.

[LewisL]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

[TAFKAP]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Yes. I'm proud to say that my daughter was one of the developers of Postnet as just a HIGH SCHOOL student intern! The Post Dispatch reached out to various high schools and asked for recommendations of a few kids to come in assist with this new application technology. She is by no means a computer programmer techie type, but she possessed other skills which eventually affected her college and academic degree, and eventually rocketed her to a very globally reponsible management position in a globally recognized top company. Our first internet access and email address was via the Postnet dialup and ISP. She is not quite the hockey fan as I, but she couldn't help but have to become one nevertheless. So, she had worked on the first Hockey Chatroom at the site.
Please forgive me for indulging in how proud I am of her. Hopefully you parents in the forum understand. I would just read the Blues Forum until late in 2024, until I went ahead and created a login and participate. I try to control myself. I fail sometimes. I try not to and probably have never started "it," but it's my nature to finish it. And I only know one way to take that on.
A lot of very sagacious posters on here, whom I appreciate learning from!

That's incredible. What a world.

And you should be proud. I have a 14 year old daughter...so I understand completely.

That's awesome. i have been around since then. my first ISP was the Posts dialup. I was Puckhead@postnet.com until they sold the deal to Earthlink.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

If he starts scoring like Hull then I'll cut him some slack.

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Yes. I'm proud to say that my daughter was one of the developers of Postnet as just a HIGH SCHOOL student intern! The Post Dispatch reached out to various high schools and asked for recommendations of a few kids to come in assist with this new application technology. She is by no means a computer programmer techie type, but she possessed other skills which eventually affected her college and academic degree, and eventually rocketed her to a very globally reponsible management position in a globally recognized top company. Our first internet access and email address was via the Postnet dialup and ISP. She is not quite the hockey fan as I, but she couldn't help but have to become one nevertheless. So, she had worked on the first Hockey Chatroom at the site.
Please forgive me for indulging in how proud I am of her. Hopefully you parents in the forum understand. I would just read the Blues Forum until late in 2024, until I went ahead and created a login and participate. I try to control myself. I fail sometimes. I try not to and probably have never started "it," but it's my nature to finish it. And I only know one way to take that on.
A lot of very sagacious posters on here, whom I appreciate learning from!

Impressive. And really cool.

[JoshInFenton]

FWIW on the Buch bit: I see them as two different players with two different issues.

Buch seemed allergic to the puck for the better part of 25-30 games across the end of the postseason and the quarter mark here. He didn't make as many outright gaffs, but his inability to shoot and hit the frame of goal cost us, the frame of goal not as much but the bad passes going the other way made his +/- abysmal. He needed to be demoted to the 3rd or 4th line where he was the guy with the shot and forced into shooting so he got his head out of his and got away a bit too easily for my money, but at least he's doing something the last week or so.

Kyrou I don't care if he's more or less a 1 dimensional player, but even for the superstar players that comes with a degree of expectations and ice awareness. He is expected to press as the faster guy when he is the first guy in, and to get the puck to the red line and get it deep if he wants to change. shying away from those makes him a -9 and opens him up to some people calling him out.

Not a great comparison to make between these two, both are a bit different, but in either case 17M or so tied up in these two and the point production is a large part of why we are where we are.

[netboy65]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I don't think Kyrou has to skate like his hair is on fire, but there are very few in the league who should be able to keep up with him and he doesn't use his speed nearly enough.

He absolutely is paid to score goals and drive offense and he isn't doing that nearly enough this season. Thomas is paid for assists, goals and to play shutdown center and he's doing one of the three well this season. Buch is paid to score, assist, and play above average defense, and until lately he was only doing 1 of the 3.

Right now Kyrou has 8 goals 8 assists in 27 games. That's a 25 goal pace and a 50 point season. That is nowhere near good enough for a guy who the past 4 seasons has gone: 27-48-75 37-36-73 31-36-67 36-34-70

I could see it if he was getting a ton of chances and he's just been snakebit, but he's not. He's just not driving the offense like he should and that's the problem.

I believe some (not all, but some) of that can be attributed to the system they’re being asked to play. You can’t use your speed if all you’re doing is dumping it in.

[ManitobaBlues]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I don't think Kyrou has to skate like his hair is on fire, but there are very few in the league who should be able to keep up with him and he doesn't use his speed nearly enough.

He absolutely is paid to score goals and drive offense and he isn't doing that nearly enough this season. Thomas is paid for assists, goals and to play shutdown center and he's doing one of the three well this season. Buch is paid to score, assist, and play above average defense, and until lately he was only doing 1 of the 3.

Right now Kyrou has 8 goals 8 assists in 27 games. That's a 25 goal pace and a 50 point season. That is nowhere near good enough for a guy who the past 4 seasons has gone: 27-48-75 37-36-73 31-36-67 36-34-70

I could see it if he was getting a ton of chances and he's just been snakebit, but he's not. He's just not driving the offense like he should and that's the problem.

I believe some (not all, but some) of that can be attributed to the system they’re being asked to play. You can’t use your speed if all you’re doing is dumping it in.

Exactly — if Kyrou can’t play within Monty’s system, then at some point you have to talk about moving him. He’s a professional hockey player making $8 million a year; adapting to the system in front of him is part of the job, just like it is for every other player at his level.

This idea that “Monty’s system is holding back Kyrou’s offense” just doesn’t hold up anymore. The real issue is that Kyrou’s hockey IQ and decision-making aren’t keeping up with what the system demands. That’s not on the coach.

[Absolut]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

If he starts scoring like Hull then I'll cut him some slack.

On or off the ice ?

[Bluesfan1988]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

If he starts scoring like Hull then I'll cut him some slack.

I don't particularly like Kyrou, think he has skills but is extremely lazy, and not terribly interested in grinding.

That being said, he doesn't have a center like Hull did in Adam Oates. Imo, one of the most underrated centers in the league. Hull wouldn't have been what he was without him imo.

[TheJackBurton]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I don't think Kyrou has to skate like his hair is on fire, but there are very few in the league who should be able to keep up with him and he doesn't use his speed nearly enough.

He absolutely is paid to score goals and drive offense and he isn't doing that nearly enough this season. Thomas is paid for assists, goals and to play shutdown center and he's doing one of the three well this season. Buch is paid to score, assist, and play above average defense, and until lately he was only doing 1 of the 3.

Right now Kyrou has 8 goals 8 assists in 27 games. That's a 25 goal pace and a 50 point season. That is nowhere near good enough for a guy who the past 4 seasons has gone: 27-48-75 37-36-73 31-36-67 36-34-70

I could see it if he was getting a ton of chances and he's just been snakebit, but he's not. He's just not driving the offense like he should and that's the problem.

I believe some (not all, but some) of that can be attributed to the system they’re being asked to play. You can’t use your speed if all you’re doing is dumping it in.

That is true, but Monty did start him off with Schenn and Holloway and for whatever reason that line just didn't click this season which just makes no sense.

Since then he's been getting line juggled which will hurt your production, but at some point he is going to be a far better talent than those he's playing against and he should be dominating out there and at this point he simply isn't.

I don't know what the problem is, but something has to change. He is far too good to be struggling this much.

[zuck698]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

If he starts scoring like Hull then I'll cut him some slack.

I don't particularly like Kyrou, think he has skills but is extremely lazy, and not terribly interested in grinding.

That being said, he doesn't have a center like Hull did in Adam Oates. Imo, one of the most underrated centers in the league. Hull wouldn't have been what he was without him imo.

I agree that Oates was a heck of a passer, but Hull also scored 72 with Peter Zezel as his center. Hull just knew how to score. People forget he couldn't skate very well, but he was so smart with his on ice positioning. If Hull had Kyrou's speed, I don't we would be talking about "The Great 8" being the all-time goal scoring leader.

[Old_Goat]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Yes. I'm proud to say that my daughter was one of the developers of Postnet as just a HIGH SCHOOL student intern! The Post Dispatch reached out to various high schools and asked for recommendations of a few kids to come in assist with this new application technology. She is by no means a computer programmer techie type, but she possessed other skills which eventually affected her college and academic degree, and eventually rocketed her to a very globally reponsible management position in a globally recognized top company. Our first internet access and email address was via the Postnet dialup and ISP. She is not quite the hockey fan as I, but she couldn't help but have to become one nevertheless. So, she had worked on the first Hockey Chatroom at the site.
Please forgive me for indulging in how proud I am of her. Hopefully you parents in the forum understand. I would just read the Blues Forum until late in 2024, until I went ahead and created a login and participate. I try to control myself. I fail sometimes. I try not to and probably have never started "it," but it's my nature to finish it. And I only know one way to take that on.
A lot of very sagacious posters on here, whom I appreciate learning from!

That's incredible. What a world.

And you should be proud. I have a 14 year old daughter...so I understand completely.

Well my unsolicited advice for you Dad: Don't underestimate the power of encouragement. And I do not mean just from you and her Mom. I mean what a difference a great school teacher, or volunteer youth sports coach, or even an adult neighbor can make. Those whom take a bit of an interest, engage in a bit of conversation about what the kid is doing, and gives them some solid points and reinforcement of what good they may be doing. That does not mean giving everybody a Gold Star, but just a bit of individual recognition that they can achieve...and most importantly, giving them a responsibility and letting THEM do it, while for sure being available to answer questions or some helpful hints if needed.
We can all be that person for a kid. It does not take much. But knowing their name and asking how/what they are doing in their hobby, or school assignment and just letting them talk and be heard is powerful stuff.
If you think about it, you forever remember your great teachers, coaches, etc...and you remember the bad ones too, and why. The rest you probably do not remember. Your daughter can learn from both the great & bad types what to do, or what not to do. Most people want or like to be remembered. And I assume for good.
Your daughter will do great.

[Old_Goat]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

If he starts scoring like Hull then I'll cut him some slack.

I don't particularly like Kyrou, think he has skills but is extremely lazy, and not terribly interested in grinding.

That being said, he doesn't have a center like Hull did in Adam Oates. Imo, one of the most underrated centers in the league. Hull wouldn't have been what he was without him imo.

I agree that Oates was a heck of a passer, but Hull also scored 72 with Peter Zezel as his center. Hull just knew how to score. People forget he couldn't skate very well, but he was so smart with his on ice positioning. If Hull had Kyrou's speed, I don't we would be talking about "The Great 8" being the all-time goal scoring leader.

Born to play the game. Genetically programmed. Low center of gravity, powerful legs, fast-twitch perfectly timed release of hands. And a instinctive sense with balance and strength to find and glide through the slot to take a pass and shoot. You don't have to be a fast skater to do that. It helps, but in fact if you're rocketing too fast you can be in & out of the area too quickly for the teammate to feed it. But being able to get there with strength and willingness is essential. It requires movement, not floating, definitely not stationary. Matt Tkachuk brings a somewhat similar element as Hull, although he relies more on the power aspect very close to net, because he does not have the same level of shot skill, but he get's more deflections & redirects. And by being in close he can and almost has to remain more stationary.
We may not have Hull, but we need to have that movement through the slot from various directions, particularly on the power play. Holloway tries to bring that. But they all need to shoot more often, and lessen the additional pass that they are in the habit of doing.

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Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

I remember that almost the same things were said about Brett Hull. Just saying, lol.

If he starts scoring like Hull then I'll cut him some slack.

I don't particularly like Kyrou, think he has skills but is extremely lazy, and not terribly interested in grinding.

That being said, he doesn't have a center like Hull did in Adam Oates. Imo, one of the most underrated centers in the league. Hull wouldn't have been what he was without him imo.

I agree that Oates was a heck of a passer, but Hull also scored 72 with Peter Zezel as his center. Hull just knew how to score. People forget he couldn't skate very well, but he was so smart with his on ice positioning. If Hull had Kyrou's speed, I don't we would be talking about "The Great 8" being the all-time goal scoring leader.

I think his drop off had more to do with the neutral zone trap, the ridiculously large goalie pads, and the ability for defenders to stop any all progression into the offensive zone.

Mainly the neutral zone trap though. It just absolutely stifled offense.