Kyrou Injury

[dhsux]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

[TheJackBurton]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

[MiamiLaw]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

[MikoTython]

I’d bet good money it’s a lower body injury

You should download the Fandual App. I think you could make a lot of money

Is gambling now legal in Missouri, think I saw a commercial or 2…. Thousand.

Or 2... HUNDRED Thousand.

but never, never, ever, never will a player or coach or trainer or staffer or... you get the idea... ever ever ever get near any of that stuff they're pushing down 'only the rest of' our throats. Because that would be, you know, dodgey. Standards must be maintained.

[Absolut]

It's been one full game dude.

It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game

Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.

I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.

Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.

People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.

Yea scoring two goals and giving up 42 shots against a bad team is a boatload of swagger. Your confirmation bias on Kyrou is as ridiculous as your declaration that Buchnevich has the highest hockey IQ on the team.

Your case is bogus.
I never EVER said Buch had a huge IQ. It’s always about his unwavering commitment to do the dirty work- the grunt details that garner him the most playoff assists since he’s been on this club…

Your idea of swagger seems to be derived from numbers and a detached viewpoint, rather than the way fought like hell to win those games- even though their numbers were bad.

You absolutely argued that, since Buch had the most assists in the playoffs over the last few years, he thereby had the highest hockey IQ on the team. Now that I think of it, that is pretty ironic considering what you are now saying in this thread about stats...

And my view is not just from stats. I also watched the games. Anyone who says the Blues showed any more swagger in that Ottawa game than they otherwise have all season is, frankly, delusional.

Putting words in my mouth is desperate and despicable. I would expect that from a Miami Shyster and that really pisses me off. Moving the goal posts and lying are bad moves in most courtrooms.

I love Buch and make no excuses.
I have never said he had a high hockey IQ.
I am fairly stingy with that accolade.

Stick to the [fork]ing point… if ya can!

Why are you bringing what he does for a living into this and why are you using anti-semetic tropes to detail it? It's a [fork]ing hockey forum and you are being as much of a doosh as you are claiming he is. Your argument that this team is somehow better off after two games without 25 based on the two games is ridiculous. Feel free to call me the N word or threaten to call ICE when you disagree.

Speaking of be better you should look in the mirror and heed your own advice.

I expect more from a poster so proud of his profession that it becomes his screen name. Most especially when that profession requires sticking to the point and providing a fair debate.

I assumed he was a lawyer.

[netboy65]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!
It’s hilarious that he thinks ONE player affects the attitude of the ENTIRE team.

[Ziggy3]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

[TheJackBurton]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

right now the entire top 6 is a problem.

they aren't carrying puck possession or creating offense on any regular basis at all.

I have been as big a Robert Thomas boomer as can be, and he quite frankly has been quite disappointing so far this year. He isn't carrying the play at all and has looked more like a #2 center this season than the top 10 center he should be.

Kyrou has been equally as guilty. Far too talented to not control play in the offensive zone. Way too many dump ins with no sustained pressure, very little cycle game for the majority of periods, and too many missed passes.

Until the top 6 actually start acting like they are capable of playing as this team will be stuck in mud. They are actually better than this, they just actually have to play like it.

[Ziggy3]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

right now the entire top 6 is a problem.

they aren't carrying puck possession or creating offense on any regular basis at all.

I have been as big a Robert Thomas boomer as can be, and he quite frankly has been quite disappointing so far this year. He isn't carrying the play at all and has looked more like a #2 center this season than the top 10 center he should be.

Kyrou has been equally as guilty. Far too talented to not control play in the offensive zone. Way too many dump ins with no sustained pressure, very little cycle game for the majority of periods, and too many missed passes.

Until the top 6 actually start acting like they are capable of playing as this team will be stuck in mud. They are actually better than this, they just actually have to play like it.

I agree with all of that.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

[netboy65]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

[dhsux]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

I get that and agree with it Miami.

I'm talking about the how and why of interaction between ALL honest posters here, self included. I've been a fan and followed this team since '67 and consider myself knowledgeable on the sport to that extent only but still worthy to offer opinions here.......I think there should be room for that for all posters here no matter their experience.

I'm a little off topic and this is not directed at you, just something I've been thinking about.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

[netboy65]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

he 100 percent made improvements the last 2 seasons. I'm one of the haters and I admit it. He flipped me last year. This year is sad because it's more of the same.

[somni]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.