DVO has 1 assist

[Old_Goat]

Refresh my memory...whom have been his consistent regular wingers to develop an instinctive sense of timing, positioning, their reactions, etc. with each of them as well as for each other?

It's not that simple. How long has it taken Suter under the same conditions? The real issues are (1) Dvorsky's youth and inexperience, (2) he's playing a very deferrential style of game as a top-9 center, and (3) he doesn't appear to have the top-end skills necessary to produce ES offense out of the gate.

I'm thinking he's an ROR-style center, not a Thomas style center. I scratch my head because at age 20 energy should not be an issue. He shows good hands but not feet.

Very fair points you make. Except I don't consider Suter to be under the same conditions, because he is not new to the league and if not more physically developed, at least likely that he is as well as likely more mentally experienced to handle change or obstacles. And yes, your point re although a very good athlete, Dvorsky is not in the "super-elite" category that would allow him to overcome the points of my prior sentence.
All the more reason to provide consistency and stability on his line, so that he can more quickly gain consistency and production.

[a smell of green grass]

Refresh my memory...whom have been his consistent regular wingers to develop an instinctive sense of timing, positioning, their reactions, etc. with each of them as well as for each other?

It's not that simple. How long has it taken Suter under the same conditions? The real issues are (1) Dvorsky's youth and inexperience, (2) he's playing a very deferrential style of game as a top-9 center, and (3) he doesn't appear to have the top-end skills necessary to produce ES offense out of the gate.

I'm thinking he's an ROR-style center, not a Thomas style center. I scratch my head because at age 20 energy should not be an issue. He shows good hands but not feet.

Very fair points you make. Except I don't consider Suter to be under the same conditions, because he is not new to the league and if not more physically developed, at least likely that he is as well as likely more mentally experienced to handle change or obstacles. And yes, your point re although a very good athlete, Dvorsky is not in the "super-elite" category that would allow him to overcome the points of my prior sentence.
All the more reason to provide consistency and stability on his line, so that he can more quickly gain consistency and production.

Kind of like adding Rudolph in front of Dasher, Dancer, Prancer and Vixen. I get it.

Too bad a hockey team will never be like Santa's team.

[Jeff Goldblum]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

Too bad. Get over it, buy a Hull jersey and shut up.

Nope. Nope. And Nope. I am going to slap this puck against every helmet until things change.

I suggest that you research how it goes in other NHL cities. In particular, find out what hockey dish they are eating and compare to what is laying in front of you.

Do other NHL teams change their philosophies based on the rantings of an unhinged drug addict who spams their local newspapers' fan forums?

[a smell of green grass]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

Too bad. Get over it, buy a Hull jersey and shut up.

Nope. Nope. And Nope. I am going to slap this puck against every helmet until things change.

I suggest that you research how it goes in other NHL cities. In particular, find out what hockey dish they are eating and compare to what is laying in front of you.

Do other NHL teams change their philosophies based on the rantings of an unhinged drug addict who spams their local newspapers' fan forums?

Hmmm. Are there any other teams/cities that run their team like Army? No. The Blues are nearly the only team in the NHL that not only runs from TOP5 picks, they run from the NHL draft PERIOD. The Blues have had 1 TOP10 pick in 15 years.

Do you know what other fans in other cities would do if they had 1 TOP10 pick in 15 years -- WHILE THEY WATCH MEDIOCRITY ON ICE every night? They would stop buying tickets. Only in St Louis, would this slop sell.

[Jeff Goldblum]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

Too bad. Get over it, buy a Hull jersey and shut up.

Nope. Nope. And Nope. I am going to slap this puck against every helmet until things change.

I suggest that you research how it goes in other NHL cities. In particular, find out what hockey dish they are eating and compare to what is laying in front of you.

Do other NHL teams change their philosophies based on the rantings of an unhinged drug addict who spams their local newspapers' fan forums?

Hmmm. Are there any other teams/cities that run their team like Army? No. The Blues are nearly the only team in the NHL that not only runs from TOP5 picks, they run from the NHL draft PERIOD. The Blues have had 1 TOP10 pick in 15 years.

Do you know what other fans in other cities would do if they had 1 TOP10 pick in 15 years -- WHILE THEY WATCH MEDIOCRITY ON ICE every night? They would stop buying tickets. Only in St Louis, would this slop sell.

Who cares? You aren't changing any minds. They won a cup in my lifetime. I enjoy watching them after working all day/week. Every once in awhile I'll go to a game because I love the Blues. Who cares how many times they draft in the top 5? I remember the mid 2000s. I prefer making the playoffs than watching Jason bucashua and Curtis sanford.

[The Average Gatsby]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

Too bad. Get over it, buy a Hull jersey and shut up.

Nope. Nope. And Nope. I am going to slap this puck against every helmet until things change.

I suggest that you research how it goes in other NHL cities. In particular, find out what hockey dish they are eating and compare to what is laying in front of you.

Do other NHL teams change their philosophies based on the rantings of an unhinged drug addict who spams their local newspapers' fan forums?

Hmmm. Are there any other teams/cities that run their team like Army? No. The Blues are nearly the only team in the NHL that not only runs from TOP5 picks, they run from the NHL draft PERIOD. The Blues have had 1 TOP10 pick in 15 years.

Do you know what other fans in other cities would do if they had 1 TOP10 pick in 15 years -- WHILE THEY WATCH MEDIOCRITY ON ICE every night? They would stop buying tickets. Only in St Louis, would this slop sell.

None of this is relevant to his question though. It doesn’t matter if you post this same opinion over and over again because Army doesn’t read this forum. All you do is annoy everyone else here because us normals don’t find it interesting to talk about the same subject over and over again forever.

[Nublues69]

how many assists do you have. Other than assisting at making other people annoyed

I'm not sure if these are goal or assists. Let's just call them message forecast points, delivered by the 1C of BluesTalk.

* The winning streak late last year foretold nothing
* The team at the start of this season would perform like the team in January 2025.
* The team's best players are consistently outplayed by the other team's best players in meaningful games--just like Army said.
* The re-whatever is not "over". Army said that to take fans' eyes off our prospects. Why? Because there is nothing special to see there.
* Show me a Blues long-term contract, and I'll show you an under-performing player.
* The Blues re-whatever was the first one completed where the average age of the roster went up, not down.
* Army is touted as a great scout and NHL draft expert--but one look at the VALUE (GOALS and ASSISTS) delivered by Army prospects compared to the rest of the league, the facts tell a way different story.
* Army has NEVER drafted high, and drafting high is how you can tell the worth of the scouting department. When one of Army's prospect fails, it's always just the prospect's fault -- because everyone knows that any prospect picked outside the TOP10 is high risk.
* Army is leaving the team in much worse shape than when he started, and the team will soon be in the hands of the rookie trained by Army, and that rookie will be expected to dig the team out of the biggest hole in the NHL.
* Army is the GM of great distractions: Winter Classic, 4 Nations, Olympics. You name it, he is leading it. Meanwhile, the Blues are sinking to the bottom of the abyss.
* John Kelly was ditched by the Blues.
* When the players that you steal from a strong team's bench are your BEST YOUNG PLAYERS, that is a KNOCK on the GM, not a plus.

And most importantly...
* The fans in St Louis are not getting near the NHL excitement of fans in other cities.

no seriously how many assists do you have for the blues...... i am waiting

[Cahokanut]

[quote="a smell of green grass" post_id=13204805 time

And most importantly...
* The fans in St Louis are not getting near the NHL excitement of fans in other cities.
[/quote]

This^^^^^

Hockey is not a game any fan watches for the defense.
If your playing defensive hockey it's because you don't have the horses to play real hockey.
This happens when teams have [shirt]ty gms.

Our goaltending is winning games other teams have no interest getting up for. Making our defensive hockey, more of a note.

Then there's our announcers having a pod cast during play and that just adds more turds to the already clogged up [shirt]er.

I probably watch ten full games a week. And our 3hours is the hardest to enjoy.

[fish]

[quote=TruBlueFan_1970 post_id=13204840 time=1765296779



Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Once again you spout exaggerations, Vegas made the playoffs last year without a homegrown top 5 pick. Like usual you will not answer this

[keithinwr]

In the last 10 games...

Goals: 1
Assists: 4
Shots: 12
Blocks: 7
PPP: 1
TOI/GM: 19.53
Robert Thomas

Goals: 2
Assists: 2
Shots: 18
Blocks: 3
PPP: 0
TOI/GM: 16.1
Pius Suter

Goals: 0
Assists: 1
Shots: 12
Blocks: 3
PPP: 0
TOI/GM: 14.8
Dalibor Dvorsky

Goals: 1
Assists: 0
Shots: 14
Blocks: 4
PPP: 0
TOI/GM: 12.62
Nick Bjugstad

Goals: 4
Assists: 3
Shots: 21
Blocks: 4
PPP: 1
TOI/GM: 16.51
Brayden Schenn

Goals: 1
Assists: 1
Shots: 5
Blocks: 6
PPP: 0
TOI/GM: 13.15
Oskar Sundqvist

Goals: 3
Assists: 5
Shots: 23
Blocks: 8
PPP: 1
TOI/GM: 16.71
Dylan Holloway

Goals: 3
Assists: 4
Shots: 15
Blocks: 6
PPP: 1
TOI/GM: 18.36
Pavel Buchnevich

Goals: 2
Assists: 3
Shots: 15
Blocks: 3
PPP: 1
TOI/GM: 15.3
Jake Neighbours

how many assists do you have. Other than assisting at making other people annoyed

Bingo. He is a one trick pony. (Donkey is more accurate)

[Jeff Goldblum]

[quote="a smell of green grass" post_id=13204805 time

And most importantly...
* The fans in St Louis are not getting near the NHL excitement of fans in other cities.

This^^^^^

Hockey is not a game any fan watches for the defense.
If your playing defensive hockey it's because you don't have the horses to play real hockey.
This happens when teams have [shirt]ty gms.

Our goaltending is winning games other teams have no interest getting up for. Making our defensive hockey, more of a note.

Then there's our announcers having a pod cast during play and that just adds more turds to the already clogged up [shirt]er.

I probably watch ten full games a week. And our 3hours is the hardest to enjoy.
[/quote]

You probably dont enjoy it because you spend the entire time looking for something to get angry about.

[juan good eye]

Who cares? You aren't changing any minds. They won a cup in my lifetime. I enjoy watching them after working all day/week. Every once in awhile I'll go to a game because I love the Blues. Who cares how many times they draft in the top 5? I remember the mid 2000s. I prefer making the playoffs than watching Jason bucashua and Curtis sanford.

A problematic fan simple man.

Why bother competing for Cups just give beer belly a 12 pack and the promise of a first round exit.

[DawgDad]

[quote="a smell of green grass" post_id=13204805 time

And most importantly...
* The fans in St Louis are not getting near the NHL excitement of fans in other cities.

This^^^^^

Hockey is not a game any fan watches for the defense.
If your playing defensive hockey it's because you don't have the horses to play real hockey.
This happens when teams have [shirt]ty gms.

Our goaltending is winning games other teams have no interest getting up for. Making our defensive hockey, more of a note.

Then there's our announcers having a pod cast during play and that just adds more turds to the already clogged up [shirt]er.

I probably watch ten full games a week. And our 3hours is the hardest to enjoy.
[/quote]
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Yet here I am. I live in Georgia, have for near 28 years. I was a Blues fan from the beginning, apparently I was attracted to defense because I couldn't get enough of Glenn Hall and company. I rarely watch other games (playoffs excepted), just the Blues.

I'm akin to a St. Louisan who was a die hard Big Red or Rams fan. In years past I was, Big Red fan and a Rams fan until after the Warner years. I had a hockey team here in Georgia (Thrashers) that the league took away, that Atlanta City and regional leaders snubbed their nose at and let walk away. So, I watch the Blues, a team I might never again see play in person, paying for the privilege. Every game. I wear my Blues cap EVERYWHERE. I'm proud to be a Blues fan. A good number of people down here stop and talk a bit of hockey when they see me wearing it. I get more reaction than people in Dawgs gear, frankly because they are everywhere in droves.

I miss the Kelly voice and professionalism. But I'm still here.

I've been an NHL fan for many, many DECADES. Now that I'm retired and can actually follow ALL the team's games, well, life is good. I'm happy to debate the team's ups and downs but listen, after 58 years of Blues hockey and the entirety of the Thrashers existence on top of that, how could I possibly entertain the endless, mindless Army diatribes and all the negative agendas? How could I enjoy other broadcasts MORE than the Blues? How could I not comprehend the struggles of a challenged team? I lived through the 70's, Saskatoon, the turbulent 90's, hey even the Thrashers (yuck).

The Blues are much more than the here and now, today's game or this season. They are the sum of all things Blues in the past and all yet to come. They are why I wear a Blues cap, proudly. They are why I root for them regardless of the ups and downs, players coming and going, coaches and GMs galore. Seen all of that, over and over. Still here.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Who cares? You aren't changing any minds. They won a cup in my lifetime. I enjoy watching them after working all day/week. Every once in awhile I'll go to a game because I love the Blues. Who cares how many times they draft in the top 5? I remember the mid 2000s. I prefer making the playoffs than watching Jason bucashua and Curtis sanford.

A problematic fan simple man.

Why bother competing for Cups just give beer belly a 12 pack and the promise of a first round exit.

I dont drink. And I think it's pretty funny that your idea of a good fan/complex man is an emotionally stunted teenager who roots for his team to lose all day every day so that his "favorite team" can land a top 5 pick and give him a chance to buy a jersey that he doesn't have to replace for a few years.

[juan good eye]

Who cares? You aren't changing any minds. They won a cup in my lifetime. I enjoy watching them after working all day/week. Every once in awhile I'll go to a game because I love the Blues. Who cares how many times they draft in the top 5? I remember the mid 2000s. I prefer making the playoffs than watching Jason bucashua and Curtis sanford.

A problematic fan simple man.

Why bother competing for Cups just give beer belly a 12 pack and the promise of a first round exit.

I dont drink. And I think it's pretty funny that your idea of a good fan/complex man is an emotionally stunted teenager who roots for his team to lose all day every day so that his "favorite team" can land a top 5 pick and give him a chance to buy a jersey that he doesn't have to replace for a few years.

All I hear you saying is “I don’t care if the Blues win another Cup”

[Moberly Blues]

Great post Dawgdad!!!