DVO has 1 assist

[somni]

Honestly, I'm not that concerned. Thomas had 8 pts in his first 20 games. And as far as I remember, he wasn't playing center.

Dvorsky is learning the speed of the game and how to be responsible. His points will come, especially when the team as a whole plays better.

[DawgDad]

From my perspective . . .
1. Dvorsky needs to be playing top-9, somewhere
2. He CLEARLY has offensive limitations at this juncture
3. He appears to be FAR too passive on the ice. IMHO a top-9 center must be active-aggressive in puck possession all over the ice.
4. They may be coaching him to lay back offensively, to keep himself between the puck and the Blues goal. A case can be made this at least partially enabled the Holloway-Schenn synergy we saw in Montreal, as DD is decent in transition outlet initiation.
5. The Blues can afford to keep playing him because they need him to blossom and become a complete center. He is NOT a complete center right now, only performing at a bad 4th line ES production rate at best.

I think #3 above is spot on and what I’m seeing too. He seems to not yet have the confidence/patience to hold the puck to let the play develop. Passing quickly which is the passive part. Hopefully he hits a moment soon where he starts playing more aggressively with the puck. And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I don't think we can jump to long-term conclusions yet. The Blues see something in Dvorsky or he wouldn't be on the team. Dvorsky is more an ROR style center who cannot be measured by point production alone. That said, his lack of aggression (puck possession challenge in particular) is real, at least in this moment, and the longer it lasts the more perplexing it becomes.

[a smell of green grass]

Honestly, I'm not that concerned. Thomas had 8 pts in his first 20 games. And as far as I remember, he wasn't playing center.

Dvorsky is learning the speed of the game and how to be responsible. His points will come, especially when the team as a whole plays better.

I'm a bit concerned. Centers are supposed to make everyone around them better, not the other way around.

I see too few flashes of offense-generating, and certainly not elite skills. Maybe, he is being stifled by coaching, role, and experience. We shall see.

[callitwhatyouwant]

This just in. Young players take time to play well. Yes there are the exceptions, but they also are on dogwater rosters getting 1st line minutes. Dvorsky is playing middle 6 minutes averaging 14:14 a night. Some days look better than others. He's only getting about a shot off a game. Production will happen once he figures out how to play in faster tighter windows. That's the nature of the beast. This happened to him when he played with the big boys in Sweden too early. He dominates his own age. He did really well at the AHL level. Has to figure out how to play against bigger people. It will come, and he might be one of the best forward players the blues have developed in a while. But this is what you get from 20 year olds who aren't just playing and getting blasted in the process.

[DawgDad]

For the record, at age 20 Leonard had one point in 9 games, Danielson wasn't in the NHL. So, no concern on THAT basis.

[MiamiLaw]

I have no issue with him at all. He certainly has not been a liability and he is a young guy making a big leap. The center position is a huge responsibility and if the Blues are putting him there already, that says a lot.

[BalotelliMassive]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

[DawgDad]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

[Old_Goat]

Refresh my memory...whom have been his consistent regular wingers to develop an instinctive sense of timing, positioning, their reactions, etc. with each of them as well as for each other?

[DawgDad]

Refresh my memory...whom have been his consistent regular wingers to develop an instinctive sense of timing, positioning, their reactions, etc. with each of them as well as for each other?

It's not that simple. How long has it taken Suter under the same conditions? The real issues are (1) Dvorsky's youth and inexperience, (2) he's playing a very deferrential style of game as a top-9 center, and (3) he doesn't appear to have the top-end skills necessary to produce ES offense out of the gate.

I'm thinking he's an ROR-style center, not a Thomas style center. I scratch my head because at age 20 energy should not be an issue. He shows good hands but not feet.

[Frank Underwood]

Let’s remember the OP’s track record for snap judgements and short-term player evaluations. As most of us would suggest, let’s wait a year or two before declaring something “the deal of the century”, or declaring a 20 or 22-year old a bust. It just doesn’t work that way. In the case of Dvorsky, he is playing solid defense, he’s right at 50% on faceoffs, and he looks pretty good on the powerplay. If the team starts playing better and if we ever get some set lines, I’d guess he will start putting up more points.

Dawg, I agree with you……I could see him developing into a ROR kind of player. Just took a look and ROR didn’t really break out until his third year in the league.

[a smell of green grass]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

[Jeff Goldblum]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

[a smell of green grass]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

[Jeff Goldblum]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

Too bad. Get over it, buy a Hull jersey and shut up.

[a smell of green grass]

And OT a bit, but it’s crazy what a couple draft spots meant that year.

8th - Ryan Leonard (18 pts in 29 games)
9th - Nate Danielson - (6 pts in 15 games)
10th - Dvo (4 pts in 20 games)

I was thinking about this earlier...here's the first overall pick from that year.

Goals: 63
Assists: 104
Points: 167
Games Played: 177

Current Season Stats: 18 goals and 39 points this season.

Cellebrini has even better numbers....

For the record, at age 20:
Leonard 9 gp 1 point (ONE)
Danielson 0 gp (Not in NHL)

It is questionable whether ANY other player drafted that year will EVER be in Celebrini's class offensively. The good news is teams lacking Crosby, McDavid, and Draisaitl have won Cups recently.

Every playoff team last year had at least 1 TOP5 pick that they selected had have held since the start--EXCEPT the Blues.

Florida, Winnipeg, Dallas and Colorado each have 2.

Without a doubt, there is always a chance that the Blues will rise above the other 30 teams -- DESPITE this lack of elite talent.

Please note that while every team WAITS TO WIN THE CUP, some teams get to enjoy their elite talent every game. In stark contrast, the Blues have had zero elite talent to watch FOR YEARS, and there is no prospects in the pipeline either. However, we do have a chance to rise above the other 30 teams at some time in the next 50 years if the moon turns upside down for a whole month.

Why dont you watch another team since all you care about is watching a top 5 draft pick??

My ask is simple, and it is no different than what every other fan in every other NHL city wants. Only in St Louis have the fans been conditioned to live on dry bread served on a sheet of ice.

I want to watch elite talent wearing our jersey. I want to watch St Lous kids wearing a jersey that keeps them interested in the game for more than 2 months. And I want to do all this every game -- WHILE I WAIT TO WIN A CUP once every 30 years on average.

Too bad. Get over it, buy a Hull jersey and shut up.

Nope. Nope. And Nope. I am going to slap this puck against every helmet until things change.

I suggest that you research how it goes in other NHL cities. In particular, find out what hockey dish they are eating and compare to what is laying in front of you.