Kyrou Injury

[MiamiLaw]

I think people are looking at this too binary. Just because someone says Kyrou has made some improvements or that the team is not better with him replaced with a replacement level player does not mean that person does not acknowledge that Kyrou has a lot of issues with giving a consistent effort.

My only issue with anything that has been said in this thread is to make a conclusory declaration that the past 1.75 games somehow proves that Kyrou is the problem and the team would be winning if we just removed him.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

[netboy65]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

He who? Kyrou? Thomas? Buch?
You just described any of them

[MiamiLaw]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Holy (bleep), that's it!

[Jeff Goldblum]

Well I think it's because they finally don't have to watch that selfish loafer Walker float around on the ice that they're starting to compete...

Seriously though, what would it say about the "compete" of the rest of the players if watching one supposed floater in Kyrou is enough to demoralize them all? What a dumb argument.

I believe the argument is that the lack of effort from one of your most skilled players is dragging the rest of the team down. Especially when he makes dumb passes all of the time instead of shooting.

Well yeah, that does appear to be the argument, and it's a silly one. What does it say about a team if it can be "dragged down" by poor effort from one guy, skilled or no?

Now, the fact that he's not scoring on the clip he's expected to, THAT'S a problem. But it isn't solved by substituting him for some plug, and thinking the team is improved by simply doing that is just kind of goofy.

When one of your players isn't trying then it is essentially 4.5v5. That drags the rest if your line down because they are having to overcompensate for your lack of effort. Has nothing to do with demorilization.

Who says he’s not trying?

It's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches regularly that he doesn't give 100%.

Not everyone skates around like their hair is on fire. Unless you’re in his head, you don’t have a clue. Neither do I nor does anyone else. Fact is we’ve all seen improvements the last couple years as far as all around game.

When you're the highest paid player on the team and are supposed to be the biggest offensive threat on the team then you should be skating around like your hair is on fire. Instead he coasts in circles and makes lazy plays.

He who? Kyrou? Thomas? Buch?
You just described any of them

Thomas gets lazy sometimes, too. For as bad as Buch has been the past couple years, you can't criticize him for not skating his (donkey) off.

[Old_Goat]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Yes. I'm proud to say that my daughter was one of the developers of Postnet as just a HIGH SCHOOL student intern! The Post Dispatch reached out to various high schools and asked for recommendations of a few kids to come in assist with this new application technology. She is by no means a computer programmer techie type, but she possessed other skills which eventually affected her college and academic degree, and eventually rocketed her to a very globally reponsible management position in a globally recognized top company. Our first internet access and email address was via the Postnet dialup and ISP. She is not quite the hockey fan as I, but she couldn't help but have to become one nevertheless. So, she had worked on the first Hockey Chatroom at the site.
Please forgive me for indulging in how proud I am of her. Hopefully you parents in the forum understand. I would just read the Blues Forum until late in 2024, until I went ahead and created a login and participate. I try to control myself. I fail sometimes. I try not to and probably have never started "it," but it's my nature to finish it. And I only know one way to take that on.
A lot of very sagacious posters on here, whom I appreciate learning from!

[Younghopp1991]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

[SameOldBlues]

I don't mean to point any one out here.

The folks on this board who claim some kind of supreme hockey knowledge and it then usurps common decency and or respect for others opinions on this board is extremely short sighted for a public fan forum.

There's all kinds of people and walks of life and all kinds of hockey knowledge posters here amongst us folks.

I get the one up man ship from the "experts" and the fun of it for them but for many here we are just fans trying to learn and give honest opinions from a non expert point of view and trying to have some fun doing it and occasionally being.....right.

In 16 years here I've learned a ton about hockey and I am grateful for that. At the same time, I like to think I've passed some of my own insights onto others as well. And for 99% of the time if I offend some one in the course of communication I end up feeling bad about it.

Maybe this happened here.

Dude a lot of people here have played in, watched, coached, attended and/or reffed tens of thousands of games in the aggregate. There is a lot of knowledge in that.

Most of the regulars have seen almost every minute of a lot of the Blues player’s NHL careers. We’re as knowledgeable about at least that as any scout honestly. We’ve seen them more.

No matter what, and this place has ups and downs, I love talking Blues hockey here. I’ve been here since before it was called stltoday. I can’t even remember the old name. I literally grew up on this forum.

It was called postnet. I know this because I joined in 1997-ish as northwest dave. It was when I moved out of St. Louis and it kept me connected to the team.
It's amazing to think about now.

Please forgive me for indulging in how proud I am of her. Hopefully you parents in the forum understand. I would just read the Blues Forum until late in 2024, until I went ahead and created a login and participate. I try to control myself. I fail sometimes. I try not to and probably have never started "it," but it's my nature to finish it. And I only know one way to take that on.
A lot of very sagacious posters on here, whom I appreciate learning from!

Nothin to be forgiven for. I may be a little kooky, but I actually like reading about poster’s lives, personalities, opinions, etc. outside of just hockey talk 100% of the time. I like it mainly because it humanizes you/them (well most anyways), and Im less likely to easily dismiss their opinions when I have some idea of their background, or what makes them tick and so on. Others like to hear about poster’s lives to weaponize their words against them later, like the gutless cowards they are. Thankfully that has no bearing on why I enjoy knowing more about people.

[Kariyadog]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

[Harry S Deals]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

Buch's issues seem to be in his own head. He gets frustrated things dont go his way it snowballs. Once he puts it together hes dangerous, he is already a well rounded player. I dont worry too much about Buchy

Kyrou is frustrating because hes gifted with all world athleticism but he wont get his nose dirty. When hes "on" hes hard to stop and the goals come easy. He wants to play on the perimeter and make pretty plays but once the NHL gets going by the second or third month it tightens up and you have play hard to score

[TruBlueFan_1970]

Since this topic went off the rails, figured I’d share what I saw on NHL.com today.

From Monty: Kyrou, a forward, is considered week to week, but Blues coach Jim Montgomery said it shouldn’t be longer than that after MRI results Monday.

[Younghopp1991]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

Buch's issues seem to be in his own head. He gets frustrated things dont go his way it snowballs. Once he puts it together hes dangerous, he is already a well rounded player. I dont worry too much about Buchy

Kyrou is frustrating because hes gifted with all world athleticism but he wont get his nose dirty. When hes "on" hes hard to stop and the goals come easy. He wants to play on the perimeter and make pretty plays but once the NHL gets going by the second or third month it tightens up and you have play hard to score

Oh i totally agree with you that kyrou is frustrating as can be. Even tho i pull for him on here, trust me he gets a ear full through the tv.

But this point that buch “looks like hes trying hard” means nothing to me. The guy couldnt score a even strength goal for 20+ games. Buch is the same guy who stopped everything to just stare at hofer. The same guy who had a chance to ice game 7.

I would leave this topic alone if you guys compared him to almost anyone EXCEPT buch. I think i believe more in kyrou because he can get benched and come back and fly the next game. We dont know if buch can do that because his feelings might get hurt and somehow be less productive. Buch is scoring now and good for him. But buch has also been completely worthless from the end of last season till about maybe 3 games ago.

[Cahokanut]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

Buch's issues seem to be in his own head. He gets frustrated things dont go his way it snowballs. Once he puts it together hes dangerous, he is already a well rounded player. I dont worry too much about Buchy

Kyrou is frustrating because hes gifted with all world athleticism but he wont get his nose dirty. When hes "on" hes hard to stop and the goals come easy. He wants to play on the perimeter and make pretty plays but once the NHL gets going by the second or third month it tightens up and you have play hard to score

You want your frail skill guy. Working the boards.

Smart. In a army fan type of way.

[hotrivets]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

Buch's issues seem to be in his own head. He gets frustrated things dont go his way it snowballs. Once he puts it together hes dangerous, he is already a well rounded player. I dont worry too much about Buchy

Kyrou is frustrating because hes gifted with all world athleticism but he wont get his nose dirty. When hes "on" hes hard to stop and the goals come easy. He wants to play on the perimeter and make pretty plays but once the NHL gets going by the second or third month it tightens up and you have play hard to score

You want your frail skill guy. Working the boards.

Smart. In a army fan type of way.

Name another "skill guy" who doesn't have to win puck battles. I'd like to see how that team makes it work.

[Jeff Goldblum]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

Buch's issues seem to be in his own head. He gets frustrated things dont go his way it snowballs. Once he puts it together hes dangerous, he is already a well rounded player. I dont worry too much about Buchy

Kyrou is frustrating because hes gifted with all world athleticism but he wont get his nose dirty. When hes "on" hes hard to stop and the goals come easy. He wants to play on the perimeter and make pretty plays but once the NHL gets going by the second or third month it tightens up and you have play hard to score

Oh i totally agree with you that kyrou is frustrating as can be. Even tho i pull for him on here, trust me he gets a ear full through the tv.

But this point that buch “looks like hes trying hard” means nothing to me. The guy couldnt score a even strength goal for 20+ games. Buch is the same guy who stopped everything to just stare at hofer. The same guy who had a chance to ice game 7.

I would leave this topic alone if you guys compared him to almost anyone EXCEPT buch. I think i believe more in kyrou because he can get benched and come back and fly the next game. We dont know if buch can do that because his feelings might get hurt and somehow be less productive. Buch is scoring now and good for him. But buch has also been completely worthless from the end of last season till about maybe 3 games ago.

So you prefer a guy who gets benched and doesn't give max effort to a guy who you think might get mad for getting benched and hustles nonstop when he is on the ice?

[Kariyadog]

So kyrou has to put the puck in the net, get plenty of assists, fly at all times and plenty want him to be something else (understandable) but buch gets a break because he looks like he is trying hard. Buch is the same guy you couldnt sit for a game because “he might react poorly” look i get all the frustration but this argument is stupid. Get mad a kyrou for not playing like buch. Dont get mad at buch for not producing like kyrou. Stop moving the goal posts.

I think the point they are making is that at least Buch is giving 100%, maybe he just isn’t that good. I’d rather he try than float. He doesn’t hesitate to forecheck and crash into the boards to battle for a puck. Yeah he has made horribly dumb mistakes all season, as some of the others have, and that’s frustrating. Kyrou has improved since the crying incident, but this year he’s regressed. The equivalent I use is a beer league hero. He gets his snipe and feels like he doesn’t have to do [shirt] except float and wait for another dished puck.

Buch's issues seem to be in his own head. He gets frustrated things dont go his way it snowballs. Once he puts it together hes dangerous, he is already a well rounded player. I dont worry too much about Buchy

Kyrou is frustrating because hes gifted with all world athleticism but he wont get his nose dirty. When hes "on" hes hard to stop and the goals come easy. He wants to play on the perimeter and make pretty plays but once the NHL gets going by the second or third month it tightens up and you have play hard to score

You want your frail skill guy. Working the boards.

Smart. In a army fan type of way.

Name another "skill guy" who doesn't have to win puck battles. I'd like to see how that team makes it work.

Bingo x1000000!!