Harry S Deals wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:56 am
At this point for me trade Binnington, Parayko and Schenn now, turn it over to faster slightly more skilled younger guys who will compete for pucks.
Schenn has 4 goals in 27 games and hes a -16. I fully believe if given 16+ TOI per night Kaskimaki could score 4 times and not be a -16. Kaskimaki can skate well and will check and hound pucks, not drift around slowly bobble pucks and not be able to literally pass or shoot.
Trade Binnie now and promote Zherenko, Hofer is the starter. Yes the Blues have made glaring turnovers, but believe it or not sometimes a goalie has to STILL make the save. Goals being tipped from 30' away is not an excuse then when i saw Bummingtons tantrum that was it for me. .878 save pct is not ALL about the team defense
Trade Parayko, something is off with him hes either injured or past him prime who knows but hes not the same players hes been for the last few years. You want to talk about Buch being a bad contract what about Parayko? $6.5 NTC till '28-'29. Bad looking deal right now
Buch Thomas Kyrou
Neigbours Dvorsky Snuggerud
Holloway Bjudstad Joseph
Kaskimaki Suter Sunny
Broberg Faulk
Fowler Kessel
Tucker Mailloux
Hofer
Zhernko
Is this really any worse
The forum will tell you here that you can’t trade Parayko , so we can never move on from him. They have him penciled in the lineup until 2040
It’s comical the overvalue this place has for him for years. Can’t we at least give someone else his minutes. To me Broberg needs to be given the minutes and multiple situations to see if we want to pay him.
Well right now Broberg and Parayko are D partners and neither gets PP minutes, so their minutes should be nearly identical.
But again, sure, trade him or whatever, but I don't see how that is anything but waving the white flag on this season at least. "Overvaluing" someone is different than realizing what a player means to THIS team right now. He's still overall your best D-man and a team leader; 1-2 weeks of good hockey from Broberg doesn't change that yet.
Exactly. Its not that you can't trade Parayko. The question is "then what?" What is your plan after that? Three part question:
1) This organization literally cannot fill third pairing minutes effectively. So we're going to dump the most veteran, the most reliable minute eating defenseman on the team? Who fills those minutes? What a disaster.
2) The last time we figured a cornerstone defenseman was replaceable, we spent the next 5+ years desperately flailing at replacing him - both through internal draft and develop and through trade - only to find ourselves in this current defensive and financial mess. So, sure trade Parayko, let's kick off the rebuild. How long does it take to re-establish a viable top 4? 3-5 years? Longer?
3) Now that we're firmly in the rebuild conversation, how long do you think this ownership group can survive on rebuild income?
It's normal to want change. I want it too, but there's rational and there's irrational and this organization walks a fine line of sustainability. Trim the fat but beware cutting too close to bone.
No really, you can’t trade him because of his contract, but you can cut his minutes and find out if other guys can fill the situations better. He’s 32. He’s also not a #1 as some of us have been saying for years.
What are you even suggesting though? Wanna see what Mailloux's got for 25 minutes? Kessel?
Is he a great #1 RHD relative to the rest of the league? No, he's simply a pretty good one. Is he our #1 RHD? Hands-down, and there's no one waiting in the wings that needs more of a "look" right now. It's that fact that makes it a tough situation, not that he's "untouchable" or whatever. Any realistic move you make with Parayko right now is directly correlated with how competitive you want to be for the next couple seasons, that's just the unfortunate makeup of this team currently.
The Blues are not going to trade Parayko. And NO, they are not going to hold him until 2040, nor until he turns 40. Maybe in a few years, who knows?...but not now.
Unfortunately, a few of the "top" forwards are also not going to be shooting the puck at the net unless it's right in the goalies gut. And if they are not getting the job done, then what's the point? Sit them, or don't dress them for a few games (not just one game). You have to pay them anyway. You are losing anyway. If they are not, or cannot do any better, then they are in the way. If they don't like it, then they can waive their No-Trade clause.
System, schmystem...it is not rocket science. The Coach should pick the lines, set the lines, match the opponents lines and make sure the changes on the fly are proper, to keep momentum and not get too-many-on-ice penalties. Put the white board on the shelf. Talk about it, work on it in practice. Gain rhythm and continuity by playing together. Too many voices behind the bench. Just have somebody upstairs monitoring for Coach's challenges and strategy for shootouts against opposing goalie and may a couple of key pointers & adjustments during period breaks.
I don't know what to think about Binnie. He looked like he was going to be a strong horse to ride through the playoffs last year, so it isn't like his skills suddenly deteriorated in 6 months. It's all about the head. Maybe Happy Gilmour can come in and show him how to get to his happy place.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 08:35 am
Ok maybe i overreacted in trading Parayko
No. Parayko should have been traded 2 years ago and the rebuild fully embraced...the last 2 years have been wasted.
Yes, rebuilding a winning culture, selling out almost every home game, getting back to the playoffs and playing well enough they were 1 second away from a 2nd round birth ... all such a waste of time. A 5-year rebuild with no promise of being better at the end would have been much better.
aslord wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 11:12 am
Can't agree on Binnington and Parayko. Schenn, ok.
This.
Binnington, if he wants to stay let him stay. Even if it's as a backup. I am being a bit selfish here in saying I want him to stay a Blue for his career, retire here and get a statue. He IS a St. Louis Blue and he will never be forgotten. He deserves all the accolades.
Also Parayko is not a guy you just dump because things aren't going well. He is a cornerstone of this team and it sets the team back many years if you dump him. Obviously it depends on the return but as the D sits on this team - it would have to be a hell of a deal to pry Parayko from the Blues.
aslord wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 11:12 am
Can't agree on Binnington and Parayko. Schenn, ok.
This.
Binnington, if he wants to stay let him stay. Even if it's as a backup. I am being a bit selfish here in saying I want him to stay a Blue for his career, retire here and get a statue. He IS a St. Louis Blue and he will never be forgotten. He deserves all the accolades.
Also Parayko is not a guy you just dump because things aren't going well. He is a cornerstone of this team and it sets the team back many years if you dump him. Obviously it depends on the return but as the D sits on this team - it would have to be a hell of a deal to pry Parayko from the Blues.
He’s not a cornerstone or a no 1 with 7 pts in 27 games. And no you can’t trade him you don’t have options for the next 3 years. You can cut him to 12-15 min a game and spread the minutes out to rest of corps.
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:39 am
Schenn is done. Keep Parayko.
I don't know what to think about Binnie. He looked like he was going to be a strong horse to ride through the playoffs last year, so it isn't like his skills suddenly deteriorated in 6 months. It's all about the head. Maybe Happy Gilmour can come in and show him how to get to his happy place.
The goaltending, and the goalie's "head" doesn't' change year to year. What does change and is constantly in flux is team defensive schemes and personnel who are tasked with executing those schemes. There have been far too many high percentage scoring opptys ... far too much gap .. and inconsistent coverage from the forwards. With as fast as the game is today, goalies have to read the offensive flow. When these shooters get too much time, you can have anybody and everybody in net and the shooter will have the advantage.
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025 10:39 am
Schenn is done. Keep Parayko.
I don't know what to think about Binnie. He looked like he was going to be a strong horse to ride through the playoffs last year, so it isn't like his skills suddenly deteriorated in 6 months. It's all about the head. Maybe Happy Gilmour can come in and show him how to get to his happy place.
The goaltending, and the goalie's "head" doesn't' change year to year. What does change and is constantly in flux is team defensive schemes and personnel who are tasked with executing those schemes. There have been far too many high percentage scoring opptys ... far too much gap .. and inconsistent coverage from the forwards. With as fast as the game is today, goalies have to read the offensive flow. When these shooters get too much time, you can have anybody and everybody in net and the shooter will have the advantage.
I hear what you're saying - my gut feel is that Binny will be fine but the play in front of him needs vast improvement - but "heads" can change from year-to-year. Sometimes players can't seem to find that mental edge they had in a previous season. I think Binnie will find his once the crapola of team play improves.
The Blues are middle of the pack in High Danger Chances Against but they allow some of the most High Danger Goals. Their High Danger Save Pct is also bad at 8th worst. So we can read that a few ways, the Blues dont give up an extreme # of HDSA the ones they do give up tend to go in the net. So that can mean, a) the goalies need to make more big time clutch saves b) the HDSA the team is giving up are really bad tap in style.
The Blues have the 6th worst team Save pct in the NHL and while the D has been sloppy that Save Pct is not all about the team defense Binnie just has been frankly bad.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 10:34 am
The Blues have the 6th worst team Save pct in the NHL and while the D has been sloppy that Save Pct is not all about the team defense Binnie just has been frankly bad.
Binnngton has had a Percentage over .901 once in the past 5 years.
