Boras Quote

[mattmitchl44]

The basic problem I have with Boras, and the MLBPA, is that their stances are skewed more toward benefitting the few superstar/star players rather than the many journeyman players.

For example, supporting a cap and floor system would likely result in more money being spread around and, therefore, more going to "regular" players even if some of that money gets pulled away from superstar/star players because of the cap on the biggest spending teams.

I agree the system favors the superstars. But doesn't the NFL have a cap and floor yet star QBs and WRs get paid WAAAAYYYYY more than star offensive lineman. I think. Am I wrong?

They do, but the difference between MLB superstars and the ML minimum is like a factor of 40x, 50x, or 60x. Maybe it's that way in the NFL, but it seems like there are more journeyman players who could be helped by making an additional million or two during their career than Ohtani, Soto, Judge, etc.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

The basic problem I have with Boras, and the MLBPA, is that their stances are skewed more toward benefitting the few superstar/star players rather than the many journeyman players.

For example, supporting a cap and floor system would likely result in more money being spread around and, therefore, more going to "regular" players even if some of that money gets pulled away from superstar/star players because of the cap on the biggest spending teams.

I agree the system favors the superstars. But doesn't the NFL have a cap and floor yet star QBs and WRs get paid WAAAAYYYYY more than star offensive lineman. I think. Am I wrong?

They do, but the difference between MLB superstars and the ML minimum is like a factor of 40x, 50x, or 60x. Maybe it's that way in the NFL, but it seems like there are more journeyman players who could be helped by making an additional million or two during their career than Ohtani, Soto, Judge, etc.

Hey I don't oppose the lesser stars getting better pay just pointing out that it doesn't seem to work that way anywhere.

[CCard]

Funny that people hate on Boras. He is NOT the reason salaries climbed. If he didn't exist other agents would have achieved the same result. He represents HIS clients as he should. The problem isn't the players, agents or even owners. It is ALL of them to have created this system that skews the game towards the wealthy teams and strips the poorer teams from any chance. That will hurt baseball long run.

2027 they have a chance to repair the system. I don't have much hope.

By "Repair" the system what do you mean? Make the players subservient to the billionaire owners? Work in a conspiracy to hold down salaries? They already have a monopoly. People don't come out to see owners frolicking in the field, they come out to see the players perform athletic prowess. This fascination with blaming the players while feeling for the poor billionaire owners is kind of sickening. Especially when you can rationalize exactly houw much a "billion" dollars is. I have no sympathy for the owners whatsoever. Players deserve to have collective bargaining to maximize their limited time earning potential. I suspect that most of you in their positions would be loathe to leave millions on the table for "the good of the game". Especially when the owners have 7 yachts, 5 mansions, travel into space on joy rides, buy entire islands etc etc. But of course it's the player at fault. LOL

Here’s Ccard telling us how the billionaire owners mistreat the poor “working class” players.

Everyone who ever read the Current Events forum knows where you stand Vladimir.

As do we you. Worn out those knee pads yet?

[CCard]

In the P-D yesterday, Boras is quoted as saying - "The word 'budget' is a barrier to success in sport."

Oh oh. Here it comes. Storm clouds gathering.

Boros has been a terrific businessman. Sure, we don't agree with him often, but there has always been an owner that pays.

That is mostly true.

Remember when he touted his client Barry Zito as a cinch Hall of Famer before the Giants stupidly signed him?

His job is to do the best for his clients. If you can't respect that then you're just partisan for the owners.

I didn’t say he doesn’t do the best for his clients.

And yes, it was a stupid decision by the Giants to sign him to a then-very high contract of $ 119 million when he produced little in return.

But that's hindsight. No one knows how a contract will turn out. All they do is make an educated guess. You can't foresee poor play, injuries or just a steep decline. After their great co-mvp seasons everyone on this board would have resigned Goldy and Arenado.

[CCard]

Funny that people hate on Boras. He is NOT the reason salaries climbed. If he didn't exist other agents would have achieved the same result. He represents HIS clients as he should. The problem isn't the players, agents or even owners. It is ALL of them to have created this system that skews the game towards the wealthy teams and strips the poorer teams from any chance. That will hurt baseball long run.

2027 they have a chance to repair the system. I don't have much hope.

By "Repair" the system what do you mean? Make the players subservient to the billionaire owners? Work in a conspiracy to hold down salaries? They already have a monopoly. People don't come out to see owners frolicking in the field, they come out to see the players perform athletic prowess. This fascination with blaming the players while feeling for the poor billionaire owners is kind of sickening. Especially when you can rationalize exactly houw much a "billion" dollars is. I have no sympathy for the owners whatsoever. Players deserve to have collective bargaining to maximize their limited time earning potential. I suspect that most of you in their positions would be loathe to leave millions on the table for "the good of the game". Especially when the owners have 7 yachts, 5 mansions, travel into space on joy rides, buy entire islands etc etc. But of course it's the player at fault. LOL

You assume much that I did not write. Try again without the assumptions.

Your response lacks substance. I asked what you meant by "Repair" - no response. Perhaps if you would elaborate on why the system is broken, who is at fault and what could be done to "repair" it , then I wouldn't have to make any "assumptions". Try again.

LOL. Why would I reply with substance to a rant to defend a position I never took? Reread what you wrote and see if there is any connection to my post. You will find none.

As to how to fix the imbalance in baseball I have a few ideas that mostly will make all sides unhappy. TV revenue sharing or serious penalties for breaking the luxury tax. I mean 100% above a certain spending cap. Stiffer penalty for signing of high level free agents in the amateur draft. Such as if you sign a guy to X dollars you lose Y draft pick. So the big money teams that print money can still sign the biggest players but eventually their farm system will see fewer stars produced when they don't draft until the 3rd round.

Spending floors forcing the small market teams to at least TRY with the money being given them via the luxury tax. Anything that will result in small market teams being able and willing to spend within at least 60% of the Dodgers etc. No more collecting shared revenues and not caring about putting a competitive product on the field.

I protect no side. Neither the owners nor the players are evil IMO. Both are looking out for themselves. As they should in a capitalist society. And agents merely provide professional negotiation to players whose skills on the field are more important than at a contract bargaining table. This problem is merely the result of revenues being massively different for different markets.

The league needs to step up and recognize and force a fix on both sides that recognizes this imbalance will kill the sport in small markets which will shrink interest in the game. Something not in the interest of either side.

So you responded to my post with nothing that has to do with my post? All that (bleep) aside, The owners are the ones that will lock out players if they don't get their way. The owners have the ability to sustain a substantial period of lock out. High priced players can also, but rookies and lower tier players don't have that luxury. Owners cry poor and then refuse to open the books. Sure looks like one is worse than the other to me. The "League" can't do (bleep) without the majority of owners behind it. There does have to be some compromise, but I have little sympathy for billionaire owners crying poor and then spending hundreds of millions on a player. Deferred money needs to be stopped. Luxury taxes need to be exponential raised so that they have real teeth. Going over the luxury tax should result in loss of draft picks. Anything over the luxury tax should be matched and paid by the offending team to every other team that stays below the luxury tax. I believe that would work and maybe technically that might be sort of a salary cap. Players would still be freely signed but the wealthiest teams wouldn't be able to monopolize them.