Boras Quote

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Funny that people hate on Boras. He is NOT the reason salaries climbed. If he didn't exist other agents would have achieved the same result. He represents HIS clients as he should. The problem isn't the players, agents or even owners. It is ALL of them to have created this system that skews the game towards the wealthy teams and strips the poorer teams from any chance. That will hurt baseball long run.

2027 they have a chance to repair the system. I don't have much hope.

By "Repair" the system what do you mean? Make the players subservient to the billionaire owners? Work in a conspiracy to hold down salaries? They already have a monopoly. People don't come out to see owners frolicking in the field, they come out to see the players perform athletic prowess. This fascination with blaming the players while feeling for the poor billionaire owners is kind of sickening. Especially when you can rationalize exactly houw much a "billion" dollars is. I have no sympathy for the owners whatsoever. Players deserve to have collective bargaining to maximize their limited time earning potential. I suspect that most of you in their positions would be loathe to leave millions on the table for "the good of the game". Especially when the owners have 7 yachts, 5 mansions, travel into space on joy rides, buy entire islands etc etc. But of course it's the player at fault. LOL

You assume much that I did not write. Try again without the assumptions.

Your response lacks substance. I asked what you meant by "Repair" - no response. Perhaps if you would elaborate on why the system is broken, who is at fault and what could be done to "repair" it , then I wouldn't have to make any "assumptions". Try again.

LOL. Why would I reply with substance to a rant to defend a position I never took? Reread what you wrote and see if there is any connection to my post. You will find none.

As to how to fix the imbalance in baseball I have a few ideas that mostly will make all sides unhappy. TV revenue sharing or serious penalties for breaking the luxury tax. I mean 100% above a certain spending cap. Stiffer penalty for signing of high level free agents in the amateur draft. Such as if you sign a guy to X dollars you lose Y draft pick. So the big money teams that print money can still sign the biggest players but eventually their farm system will see fewer stars produced when they don't draft until the 3rd round.

Spending floors forcing the small market teams to at least TRY with the money being given them via the luxury tax. Anything that will result in small market teams being able and willing to spend within at least 60% of the Dodgers etc. No more collecting shared revenues and not caring about putting a competitive product on the field.

I protect no side. Neither the owners nor the players are evil IMO. Both are looking out for themselves. As they should in a capitalist society. And agents merely provide professional negotiation to players whose skills on the field are more important than at a contract bargaining table. This problem is merely the result of revenues being massively different for different markets.

The league needs to step up and recognize and force a fix on both sides that recognizes this imbalance will kill the sport in small markets which will shrink interest in the game. Something not in the interest of either side.

[Backesdraft]

2027 can’t get here fast enough. It’ll be hilarious when baseball goes on strike and the owners and players are forced to reckon with the reality that most people don’t care or miss it.

[desertrat23]

Some GMs won't deal with him because of his ethics.

And that GM should have been fired. You find every avenue to win, and choosing to ignore the top agent in the game is unnecessarily handcuffing your organization.

[Cranny]

Some GMs won't deal with him because of his ethics.

And that GM should have been fired. You find every avenue to win, and choosing to ignore the top agent in the game is unnecessarily handcuffing your organization.

Not if he plays you for a fool. You can never trust him again.

[Goldfan]

Some GMs won't deal with him because of his ethics.

And that GM should have been fired. You find every avenue to win, and choosing to ignore the top agent in the game is unnecessarily handcuffing your organization.

Not if he plays you for a fool. You can never trust him again.

Boras has been running this scheme since the 80’s……if there’s a POBO/GM in MLB that doesn’t know or gets Borased He should immediately quit and leave baseball…..Cranny, seriously are you amazed at these tactics by a sports agent………especially one named Scott Boras???

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Some GMs won't deal with him because of his ethics.

And that GM should have been fired. You find every avenue to win, and choosing to ignore the top agent in the game is unnecessarily handcuffing your organization.

Not if he plays you for a fool. You can never trust him again.

This is the big time. Explain HOW Boras can play a MLB Team GM and his entire staff as a fool. Answer - he can't. Boras is no different than any agent except yes he advises his clients to take the chance and hold out for the best deal. That is his job. When his clients say they want security he negotiates for that. Boras is not the or a problem. There is only one problem in baseball. The extreme disparity in revenues by the teams.

[Bomber1]

In the P-D yesterday, Boras is quoted as saying - "The word 'budget' is a barrier to success in sport."

Oh oh. Here it comes. Storm clouds gathering.

Boros has been a terrific businessman. Sure, we don't agree with him often, but there has always been an owner that pays.

That is mostly true.

Remember when he touted his client Barry Zito as a cinch Hall of Famer before the Giants stupidly signed him?

His job is to do the best for his clients. If you can't respect that then you're just partisan for the owners.

I didn’t say he doesn’t do the best for his clients.

And yes, it was a stupid decision by the Giants to sign him to a then-very high contract of $ 119 million when he produced little in return.

[Bomber1]

Funny that people hate on Boras. He is NOT the reason salaries climbed. If he didn't exist other agents would have achieved the same result. He represents HIS clients as he should. The problem isn't the players, agents or even owners. It is ALL of them to have created this system that skews the game towards the wealthy teams and strips the poorer teams from any chance. That will hurt baseball long run.

2027 they have a chance to repair the system. I don't have much hope.

By "Repair" the system what do you mean? Make the players subservient to the billionaire owners? Work in a conspiracy to hold down salaries? They already have a monopoly. People don't come out to see owners frolicking in the field, they come out to see the players perform athletic prowess. This fascination with blaming the players while feeling for the poor billionaire owners is kind of sickening. Especially when you can rationalize exactly houw much a "billion" dollars is. I have no sympathy for the owners whatsoever. Players deserve to have collective bargaining to maximize their limited time earning potential. I suspect that most of you in their positions would be loathe to leave millions on the table for "the good of the game". Especially when the owners have 7 yachts, 5 mansions, travel into space on joy rides, buy entire islands etc etc. But of course it's the player at fault. LOL

Here’s Ccard telling us how the billionaire owners mistreat the poor “working class” players.

Everyone who ever read the Current Events forum knows where you stand Vladimir.

[Goldfan]

Funny that people hate on Boras. He is NOT the reason salaries climbed. If he didn't exist other agents would have achieved the same result. He represents HIS clients as he should. The problem isn't the players, agents or even owners. It is ALL of them to have created this system that skews the game towards the wealthy teams and strips the poorer teams from any chance. That will hurt baseball long run.

2027 they have a chance to repair the system. I don't have much hope.

By "Repair" the system what do you mean? Make the players subservient to the billionaire owners? Work in a conspiracy to hold down salaries? They already have a monopoly. People don't come out to see owners frolicking in the field, they come out to see the players perform athletic prowess. This fascination with blaming the players while feeling for the poor billionaire owners is kind of sickening. Especially when you can rationalize exactly houw much a "billion" dollars is. I have no sympathy for the owners whatsoever. Players deserve to have collective bargaining to maximize their limited time earning potential. I suspect that most of you in their positions would be loathe to leave millions on the table for "the good of the game". Especially when the owners have 7 yachts, 5 mansions, travel into space on joy rides, buy entire islands etc etc. But of course it's the player at fault. LOL

Here’s Ccard telling us how the billionaire owners mistreat the poor “working class” players.

Everyone who ever read the Current Events forum knows where you stand Vladimir.

LOL….almost all the owners are billionaires outside of MLB. They provide the platform, player salaries, entertainment for masses, and downstream paychecks for common folk…..but somehow they’re taking advantage of Players where the league minimum is $760,000 and the stars are now signing 500mil+ contracts……TO HIT, PITCH, and CATCH a baseball so us commoners can sit and watch a kids game for 2-3 hr a night in summer…HHHMMMMM

[Cranny]

Some GMs won't deal with him because of his ethics.

And that GM should have been fired. You find every avenue to win, and choosing to ignore the top agent in the game is unnecessarily handcuffing your organization.

Not if he plays you for a fool. You can never trust him again.

This is the big time. Explain HOW Boras can play a MLB Team GM and his entire staff as a fool. Answer - he can't. Boras is no different than any agent except yes he advises his clients to take the chance and hold out for the best deal. That is his job. When his clients say they want security he negotiates for that. Boras is not the or a problem. There is only one problem in baseball. The extreme disparity in revenues by the teams.

Here's the problem, AZ. The GM is talked to said he would never deal with Boras again, because he invented a "Phantom Buyer". And he said that a number of other GMs were making the same decision. So, if you have fewer GMs who want to deal with you, are you really doing the best for your client?

[moose-and-squirrel]

an agent trying to talk up gm's into spending more money.. whodda thunk it?

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Some GMs won't deal with him because of his ethics.

And that GM should have been fired. You find every avenue to win, and choosing to ignore the top agent in the game is unnecessarily handcuffing your organization.

Not if he plays you for a fool. You can never trust him again.

This is the big time. Explain HOW Boras can play a MLB Team GM and his entire staff as a fool. Answer - he can't. Boras is no different than any agent except yes he advises his clients to take the chance and hold out for the best deal. That is his job. When his clients say they want security he negotiates for that. Boras is not the or a problem. There is only one problem in baseball. The extreme disparity in revenues by the teams.

Here's the problem, AZ. The GM is talked to said he would never deal with Boras again, because he invented a "Phantom Buyer". And he said that a number of other GMs were making the same decision. So, if you have fewer GMs who want to deal with you, are you really doing the best for your client?

Since he reps so many players I doubt any GM would refuse to work with him. And if rumors of he creating fake bidders emerges it doesn't really change anything. Except teams won't believe him and bid against themselves. You can only get away with something like that a few times and he has been an agent a long time.

So perhaps in his early days he pulled that stunt I don't know. But I doubt any GM today would refuse to sign one of his clients. They simply will take any rumors of other bidders with a grain of salt.

[Goldfan]

an agent trying to talk up gm's into spending more money.. whodda thunk it?

This is a new one to Cranny
Having intelligent baseball conversations on this forum is sometimes a challenge when the opposite party appears to live in a different universe and will argue to the end about their completely wrongheaded and void of reality point….

[mattmitchl44]

The basic problem I have with Boras, and the MLBPA, is that their stances are skewed more toward benefitting the few superstar/star players rather than the many journeyman players.

For example, supporting a cap and floor system would likely result in more money being spread around and, therefore, more going to "regular" players even if some of that money gets pulled away from superstar/star players because of the cap on the biggest spending teams.

[Cranny]

an agent trying to talk up gm's into spending more money.. whodda thunk it?

This is a new one to Cranny
Having intelligent baseball conversations on this forum is sometimes a challenge when the opposite party appears to live in a different universe and will argue to the end about their completely wrongheaded and void of reality point….

Don't be antagonistic and foolish, Goldfan. I simply stated what a GM told me. How can you find a way to criticize another poster for that?

[AZ_Cardsfan]

The basic problem I have with Boras, and the MLBPA, is that their stances are skewed more toward benefitting the few superstar/star players rather than the many journeyman players.

For example, supporting a cap and floor system would likely result in more money being spread around and, therefore, more going to "regular" players even if some of that money gets pulled away from superstar/star players because of the cap on the biggest spending teams.

I agree the system favors the superstars. But doesn't the NFL have a cap and floor yet star QBs and WRs get paid WAAAAYYYYY more than star offensive lineman. I think. Am I wrong?