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Re: Loser Mentality

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 14:29 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 10:56 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Nov 2025 09:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 08:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:29 pm Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational
+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.
TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs
Love it!

Never happening though. :(

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others
Framber is highly sought…

What is your presentation to convince him to sign in STL?
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 17:57 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 16 Nov 2025 17:04 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
A few of us pointed out the issues that were forming five years ago. We were called whiney and entitled by many.

We are now in a place where they destroyed the organization. For those of us who look at the current state of the organization, we can see it has to be a long painful rebuild.

That doesn’t mean we are accepting where we are. The empty stadium shows that.

It’s now on Bloom and ownership to fix this. Time will tell if it’s being done correctly. There is no path to quick fix the damage.

What would you be looking to do to fix this?
I would go get a few pieces in free agency/via trade. Add them to the cost-controlled young guys we have currently (who, btw, are solid complimentary pieces).

2 SPs
2 Bats
1 or 2 BP arms

Examples:
Valdez (FA), Ragans (Trade)
Valdez, Gray, Ragans, Liberatore, McGreevy

Looks formidable.

Suarez (FA), Tatis Jr. (Trade)

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. RF
Suarez 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Winn SS
Gorman DH
Scott II CF

Looks formidable.

Maton (FA), Helsely (FA), Romero, O'Brien, Svanson, Graceffo, Leahy

Obviously just examples. Names could change. But this is a solution. They just don't want to do what it takes to makenit happen.
Tatis has a full NTC through 2028. Never coming to St. Louis.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 13:12 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.
You were not the only one…
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Re: Loser Mentality

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45s wrote: 16 Nov 2025 18:07 pm
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 13:12 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.
You were not the only one…
I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.
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Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
If I had to pick a moment I'd say the Katie Woo article. Comparing the Cards to the Brewers and making excuses for cutting payroll. Maybe before that when they went out and got two broken down pitchers to "eat innings" instead of going out and signing quality. Somewhere along the line they decided they were going to tank. No trade clauses slowed them down but now they're back at it.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 19:05 pm
45s wrote: 16 Nov 2025 18:07 pm
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 13:12 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.
You were not the only one…
I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.
I had little reaction to the Puhols deal…

But I was advocating that they trade wainwright while he still had some value…..I was, of course, attacked and told that it was impossible..

Something about bad P R……

Instead they signed him to I think a 17 million dollar deal……apparently so he could spend the season backing up third base…

Molina…..that scam speaks for itself..

As you say….it was a marketing operation with a baseball sub….

We will see if that changes..
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Re: Loser Mentality

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45s wrote: 16 Nov 2025 19:15 pm
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 19:05 pm
45s wrote: 16 Nov 2025 18:07 pm
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 13:12 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.
You were not the only one…
I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.
I had little reaction to the Puhols deal…

But I was advocating that they trade wainwright while he still had some value…..I was, of course, attacked and told that it was impossible..

Something about bad P R……

Instead they signed him to I think a 17 million dollar deal……apparently so he could spend the season backing up third base…

Molina…..that scam speaks for itself..

As you say….it was a marketing operation with a baseball sub….

We will see if that changes..
It was also our last shot at the playoffs, which Oli botched losing game 1 by making historically awful pitching decisions. Win that and maybe the entire playoffs looks different. We had the talent that year if Oli hadn't gotten in the way. And he's the only one still here!
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Re: Loser Mentality

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ecleme22 wrote: 16 Nov 2025 01:08 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Okay, so this is a loser mentality.

Is this a winning mentality?

1. Signing Wiggy to a 2 year deal when he could've been had for a minor league contract.
2. Treating Matt Adams as if he were Schwarber.
3. Treating Grichuk like he's the next Edmonds.
4. Signing Stephen freakin' Piscotty to a 7 year deal.
5. Signing Leak to a 5 year deal.
6. Treating Tommy Pham like Adron Chambers.
7. Treating Bader as the next big thing.
8. Treating Tyler O'Neill as if he's the next Stanton.
9. Treating Gallen and Sandy as if they are expendable.
10. Treating Hudson as if he's a big arm.
11. Treating Bourjos as if he's good.
12. Treating DeJong as if he's 'our future!'
13. Treating Arozarena as if he's redundant.
14. Treating Edman as if he's a great player.
15. Treating Cecil as if he's good.
16. Treating Andrew Miller as if he's still good.
17. Signing Fowler to a 5 year deal and being laughed at by the league.
18. Signing a 35 Miko to a 2-year extension.

Is any of this a winning mentality?


Bloom and the Cards are just resetting for a bit. Trying to make some smart moves. Yes, gathering prospects before we really start to make a statement in FA.

Patience, bro. This is actually a winner's mentality that's happening now...
What you are really saying here, ecleme, is that Mo and the FO have sucked for a long time. Looking back on the last 100 win season and one can see the seeds of decline, as patchwork players, some of whom you mentioned, were already being brought into the organization. A solid core of players from the TLR era and from the pipeline were still coming into play, but that pipeline wasn't being refreshed at the low minor league level. A couple of 90 win seasons later in the decade provided the FO some cover, but the Cardinals have been run with mediocrity in mind for at least a decade now. It seems to me that TLR' kept Mo in line, and fostered the winning spirit within the organization. After Tony, the mediocrity mindset started to take hold.
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Johnny dead (donkey) Mozeliak had a loser mentality. He loved the rotten fruit and dry powder. What a lazy, blowhard putz.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 17:57 pm
Stlcardsblues wrote: 16 Nov 2025 17:04 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
A few of us pointed out the issues that were forming five years ago. We were called whiney and entitled by many.

We are now in a place where they destroyed the organization. For those of us who look at the current state of the organization, we can see it has to be a long painful rebuild.

That doesn’t mean we are accepting where we are. The empty stadium shows that.

It’s now on Bloom and ownership to fix this. Time will tell if it’s being done correctly. There is no path to quick fix the damage.

What would you be looking to do to fix this?
I would go get a few pieces in free agency/via trade. Add them to the cost-controlled young guys we have currently (who, btw, are solid complimentary pieces).

2 SPs
2 Bats
1 or 2 BP arms

Examples:
Valdez (FA), Ragans (Trade)
Valdez, Gray, Ragans, Liberatore, McGreevy

Looks formidable.

Suarez (FA), Tatis Jr. (Trade)

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. RF
Suarez 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Winn SS
Gorman DH
Scott II CF

Looks formidable.

Maton (FA), Helsely (FA), Romero, O'Brien, Svanson, Graceffo, Leahy

Obviously just examples. Names could change. But this is a solution. They just don't want to do what it takes to makenit happen.
They don’t have the pieces to get Tatis and I am not convinced he won’t seriously regress over the next few years. They don’t have the resources to win a bidding war on Valdez.

Maton and Helsley are doable. Suarez is doable, but they won’t.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 14:29 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 10:56 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Nov 2025 09:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 08:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:29 pm Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational
+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.
TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs
Love it!

Never happening though. :(

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others
I like it better too.

I’m also realistic enough to know that your lineup and rotation is a pipe dream.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Bomber1 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:26 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 14:29 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 10:56 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Nov 2025 09:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 08:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:29 pm Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational
+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.
TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs
Love it!

Never happening though. :(

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others
I like it better too.

I’m also realistic enough to know that your lineup and rotation is a pipe dream.
Target of opportunity to learn. What exactly is a pipe dream.
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Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 19:05 pm
45s wrote: 16 Nov 2025 18:07 pm
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 13:12 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.
You were not the only one…
I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.
Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:29 am
Bomber1 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:26 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 14:29 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 10:56 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Nov 2025 09:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 08:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:29 pm Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational
+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.
TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs
Love it!

Never happening though. :(

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others
I like it better too.

I’m also realistic enough to know that your lineup and rotation is a pipe dream.
Target of opportunity to learn. What exactly is a pipe dream.
There used to be opium dens in cities all over America.

The term pipe dream comes from the “dreams” that people who use opium have while high.

Opium is typically smoked with a pipe.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Bomber1 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:46 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:29 am
Bomber1 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:26 am
Cardinals4Life wrote: 16 Nov 2025 14:29 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 10:56 am
Goldfan wrote: 16 Nov 2025 09:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Nov 2025 08:48 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:29 pm Only an idiot would look at this team and think oh with just a few tweaks this team could contend for a World Series. They need a 1 and 2 starter and a 3,4 and 5 hitter. They aren’t going to just snap their fingers and do all of that and spending hasn’t helped the Mets and padres. Mo destroyed the organization it has to rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not a loser mentality from fans on here it’s being realistic and rational
+1 ozzie

And I'll add BDWJr was his partner in this crime since he could've fired Mo years ago.
TGKS LF/DH
JJ 2b
Herrera C
Bellinger RF
Contreras 1B
Burly LF/DH
Gorman 3b
Winn SS
Scott CF

FA
Receive from trade P
Libby
McGreevy
Leahy
This is a rather simple fix and will make the playoffs. The top 6 will keep the lineup moving and score runs
Love it!

Never happening though. :(

Agreed, but to say we can't compete next year is COMPLETELY wrong. Of course they can. They are CHOOSING not to.

I like this better, personally.

Rotation:
Valdez (FA)
Gray
Ragans (Trade)
Liberatore
McGreevy

Lineup:
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Tatis Jr. (Trade) RF
Suarez (FA) 3B
Contreras 1B
Burleson LF
Gorman DH
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench: Crooks, Saggese, Church, Torres

Pen: Svanson, O'Brien, Graceffo, Leahy, Romero, Maton (FA), 2 others
I like it better too.

I’m also realistic enough to know that your lineup and rotation is a pipe dream.
Target of opportunity to learn. What exactly is a pipe dream.
There used to be opium dens in cities all over America.

The term pipe dream comes from the “dreams” that people who use opium have while high.
Thank you. I figured it was drug related. Are these send still prevalent you think.

And was an opium den any different than a bar back in the day; same destination different vehicle.
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Re: Loser Mentality

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Bomber1 wrote: 17 Nov 2025 07:43 am
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 19:05 pm
45s wrote: 16 Nov 2025 18:07 pm
Melville wrote: 16 Nov 2025 13:12 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 15 Nov 2025 23:18 pm Allow me to vent a little.....

When did the St. Louis Cardinals get such a loser mentality? When did it become acceptable for MLB baseball in St. Louis to look like AAA ball? When did it become okay for the Cardinals to not have any star power? When did it become okay for ownership to strip payroll down to nothing? When did the fans start accepting the idea that tanking (not even trying to compete) is okay? When did fans become in favor of collecting prospects instead of MLB players? When dod it become okay to have Oliver Marmol as a MLB manager?

Ok, I feel a little better.....maybe.

Tired of the Loser Mentality with the Cards and tired of reading the Loser Mentality nonsense I read on here.
Though the "loser mentality" originated a bit earlier, it was exposed the moment STL decided to re-unite and extend the careers of the ME3 (Wainwright/Molina/Pujols), rather than building young talent around N/A and Goldschmidt.
I was the only person to identify and explain it at the time.
Everyone said I was wrong.
Subsequent results have proven how prescient and correct I was.
It was obvious the organization did not care about winning.
You were not the only one…
I am highly confident that I am the only person who was adamantly opposed to the Pujols reunion; adamantly opposed to the Molina extensions in 2018, 2021, and 2022; and adamantly opposed to the 2022 and 2023 Wainwright extensions.
Nearly 110M wasted - and 6 seasons of opportunity stupidly denied to younger players on the rise.
Those decisions directly led to the current situation - and the TOXIC CULTURE which quickly defined the team.
Though I am extremely confident that I alone correctly understood, explained, and opposed the massive mistake the organization was taking in these bone-headed decisions, I also recognize that my memory of every post on this forum on that specific topic in not infallible.
If you are stating you opposed each of those contracts as well, since it is my nature to always see the best on others, I believe you.
Your first sentence is incorrect.

Many others are thought those moves were bad, including me.
Hey...that’s ME-ville the Sideshow Clown you’re messing with!
At least I’m helping fill his need for attention.
Easy
Obvious
Correct
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