Big developmental seasons coming up for these four

[Shady]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. At 23, I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

If he was going to go back down to play at AA again I’d share your optimism.

I don’t dislike Saggesse, or Burleson for that matter, but I don’t get the extreme optimism for them either. They both seem like roster filler and neither display any significant traits that say they will become transformative players. What do you see in them that screams future stars?

And don’t ignore the question and tell me how much Gorman and Walker sucks either, which seems to be the Burly lovers go-to retort. They are also likely irrelevant and appear to be busts at this point.

Why do either Burleson or Saggese need to become "transformational players"? I'm fine with this for both. I see Burleson as a really good MLB hitter, especially vs RHP. I feel Saggese could develop into a really good MLB hitter, especially vs LHP. Both have really good attitudes and work ethics. I'd like for Saggese to get some outfield work in spring training. Adding to his versatility. A RH hitting outfielder could come in handy.

[craviduce]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

[Shady]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season, at 26, is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil. By the way, I'm not sure if surreal was the best word for how Saggese produced as a 21 year old at AA. But it was pretty fricken' special, none the less.

[NYCardsFan]

On a Shady scale of 1 to 10--with 10 being "fabulous," and 1 being "dubious"--where does Saggese currently rate?

Would "surreal" be something like a 12?

[craviduce]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil.

are you stupid? I didn't say "I doubted Saggese". I merely questioned his "Surreal Season" of 2023. It was a really good season, but it was equaled or surpassed by Crooks and Wetherholt. You cling to his 2023 season, but ignore 2024 and 2025. It's not a very good argument. It's like Cranny claiming Dakota Harris and Chase Davis are power hitters b/c they hit HR's in the teens during college with Aluminum bats vs. very poor competition....but haven't shown that HR prowess in the Minors vs. slightly better competition

We'll see how he does in 2026, lord only knows he NEEDS to be better. But 2023 really doesn't tell us that he will or won't excel in 2026...not when his follow up campaigns vs. much better pitching were putrid at best.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. At 23, I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

If he was going to go back down to play at AA again I’d share your optimism.

I don’t dislike Saggesse, or Burleson for that matter, but I don’t get the extreme optimism for them either. They both seem like roster filler and neither display any significant traits that say they will become transformative players. What do you see in them that screams future stars?

And don’t ignore the question and tell me how much Gorman and Walker sucks either, which seems to be the Burly lovers go-to retort. They are also likely irrelevant and appear to be busts at this point.

Why do either Burleson or Saggese need to become "transformational players"? I'm fine with this for both. I see Burleson as a really good MLB hitter, especially vs RHP. I feel Saggese could develop into a really good MLB hitter, especially vs LHP. Both have really good attitudes and work ethics. I'd like for Saggese to get some outfield work in spring training. Adding to his versatility. A RH hitting outfielder could come in handy.

I figured you had higher hopes for those two with the way you talked them up on many other threads and made several high level player comps. What you now describe are basically platoon JAG’s.

[zuck698]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. At 23, I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

If he was going to go back down to play at AA again I’d share your optimism.

I don’t dislike Saggesse, or Burleson for that matter, but I don’t get the extreme optimism for them either. They both seem like roster filler and neither display any significant traits that say they will become transformative players. What do you see in them that screams future stars?

And don’t ignore the question and tell me how much Gorman and Walker sucks either, which seems to be the Burly lovers go-to retort. They are also likely irrelevant and appear to be busts at this point.

Why do either Burleson or Saggese need to become "transformational players"? I'm fine with this for both. I see Burleson as a really good MLB hitter, especially vs RHP. I feel Saggese could develop into a really good MLB hitter, especially vs LHP. Both have really good attitudes and work ethics. I'd like for Saggese to get some outfield work in spring training. Adding to his versatility. A RH hitting outfielder could come in handy.

I figured you had higher hopes for those two with the way you talked them up on many other threads and made several high level player comps. What you now describe are basically platoon JAG’s.

Yes, big step down from those shoe-in Hall of Famers we were being told over and over about!

[Shady]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil.

are you stupid? I didn't say "I doubted Saggese". I merely questioned his "Surreal Season" of 2023. It was a really good season, but it was equaled or surpassed by Crooks and Wetherholt. You cling to his 2023 season, but ignore 2024 and 2025. It's not a very good argument. It's like Cranny claiming Dakota Harris and Chase Davis are power hitters b/c they hit HR's in the teens during college with Aluminum bats vs. very poor competition....but haven't shown that HR prowess in the Minors vs. slightly better competition

We'll see how he does in 2026, lord only knows he NEEDS to be better. But 2023 really doesn't tell us that he will or won't excel in 2026...not when his follow up campaigns vs. much better pitching were putrid at best.

No need for the "stupid" comment. You kept doubting Burleson, too. And continue to. IMO, he's progressed nicely as a very formidable MLB hitter. Like I said, my take is "the glass is half full" with Saggese. Just maybe, Saggese can make similar progress like Burleson has made. I guess we'll find out.

[craviduce]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil.

are you stupid? I didn't say "I doubted Saggese". I merely questioned his "Surreal Season" of 2023. It was a really good season, but it was equaled or surpassed by Crooks and Wetherholt. You cling to his 2023 season, but ignore 2024 and 2025. It's not a very good argument. It's like Cranny claiming Dakota Harris and Chase Davis are power hitters b/c they hit HR's in the teens during college with Aluminum bats vs. very poor competition....but haven't shown that HR prowess in the Minors vs. slightly better competition

We'll see how he does in 2026, lord only knows he NEEDS to be better. But 2023 really doesn't tell us that he will or won't excel in 2026...not when his follow up campaigns vs. much better pitching were putrid at best.

You kept doubting Burleson, too. IMO, he's progressed nicely as a very formidable MLB hitter. Like I said, my take is' the glass is half full" with Saggese. I guess we'll find out.

So you are stupid? This thread you made was about Saggese, Walker, Gorman and one other I can't remember. Not about Burley. My post about your claim of Surrealness with Saggese's season from more than 2 years ago in AA...again, Not about Burley. And right now...you can't get around these stats, Saggese's "glass" has a little bit of backwash in the bottom of it, there's not 1/4 full, 1/2 full...just a little backwash. He NEEDS to produce a quality season vs. Better Competition in 2026.

Why do you argue like that? There's a pattern there, and it's rather juvenile.

[Shady]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil.

are you stupid? I didn't say "I doubted Saggese". I merely questioned his "Surreal Season" of 2023. It was a really good season, but it was equaled or surpassed by Crooks and Wetherholt. You cling to his 2023 season, but ignore 2024 and 2025. It's not a very good argument. It's like Cranny claiming Dakota Harris and Chase Davis are power hitters b/c they hit HR's in the teens during college with Aluminum bats vs. very poor competition....but haven't shown that HR prowess in the Minors vs. slightly better competition

We'll see how he does in 2026, lord only knows he NEEDS to be better. But 2023 really doesn't tell us that he will or won't excel in 2026...not when his follow up campaigns vs. much better pitching were putrid at best.

You kept doubting Burleson, too. IMO, he's progressed nicely as a very formidable MLB hitter. Like I said, my take is' the glass is half full" with Saggese. I guess we'll find out.

So you are stupid? This thread you made was about Saggese, Walker, Gorman and one other I can't remember. Not about Burley. My post about your claim of Surrealness with Saggese's season from more than 2 years ago in AA...again, Not about Burley. And right now...you can't get around these stats, Saggese's "glass" has a little bit of backwash in the bottom of it, there's not 1/4 full, 1/2 full...just a little backwash. He NEEDS to produce a quality season vs. Better Competition in 2026.

Why do you argue like that? There's a pattern there, and it's rather juvenile.

Why do you continue to be such a dickkhead? Try just discussing baseball with me without the condescending attitude. If you refuse to do that. I still can't grasp why you just don't simply ignore me if I'm so stupid. Why waste your time on a peasant like me?

[craviduce]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil.

are you stupid? I didn't say "I doubted Saggese". I merely questioned his "Surreal Season" of 2023. It was a really good season, but it was equaled or surpassed by Crooks and Wetherholt. You cling to his 2023 season, but ignore 2024 and 2025. It's not a very good argument. It's like Cranny claiming Dakota Harris and Chase Davis are power hitters b/c they hit HR's in the teens during college with Aluminum bats vs. very poor competition....but haven't shown that HR prowess in the Minors vs. slightly better competition

We'll see how he does in 2026, lord only knows he NEEDS to be better. But 2023 really doesn't tell us that he will or won't excel in 2026...not when his follow up campaigns vs. much better pitching were putrid at best.

You kept doubting Burleson, too. IMO, he's progressed nicely as a very formidable MLB hitter. Like I said, my take is' the glass is half full" with Saggese. I guess we'll find out.

So you are stupid? This thread you made was about Saggese, Walker, Gorman and one other I can't remember. Not about Burley. My post about your claim of Surrealness with Saggese's season from more than 2 years ago in AA...again, Not about Burley. And right now...you can't get around these stats, Saggese's "glass" has a little bit of backwash in the bottom of it, there's not 1/4 full, 1/2 full...just a little backwash. He NEEDS to produce a quality season vs. Better Competition in 2026.

Why do you argue like that? There's a pattern there, and it's rather juvenile.

Why do you continue to be such a dickkhead? Try just discussing baseball with me without the condescending attitude. If you refuse to do that. I still can't grasp why you just don't simply ignore me if I'm so stupid. Why waste your time on a peasant like me?

I offered statistics as a rebuttal to your claim that Saggese's 2023 will be the reason he has a better season than the other 3 you cited in your OP. This is part of a baseball discussion on the internet.

You, in turn, said that I don't believe in Saggese just like Burley.....which I didn't say, it's not there in my post above. So I questioned your comprehension level. Then you doubled down with your next post...which left me with the conclusion that you are indeed "stupid".

Now you're into vulgar name calling once again...juvenile.

baseball discussions/debates don't go your way, you turn to "Burley", vulgarity, victimhood... Grow Up.

[craviduce]

Maybe we should sign Moises Gomez, he was 2022 Texas League MVP with an even more impressive season than Saggese's 2023.


Impressive.... Springfield has the last 4 Texas League MVP's...5 of the last 6....Dylan Carlson in 2019...no MVP awarded in 2020 (CoVid)

[Shady]

Walker, Gorman, Scott II and Saggese. If at least two of the four upgrade their offensive production. It would be huge for the Cardinals. Which two have the better chances to do that? I'll opine that one will be Saggese.

It might be Saggesse. But that might not be a good thing.

Why not?

C’mon Shady, you know why, if you’re the former coach and astute baseball mind you claim to be.

Because NG and JW had tremendous upside and VS good upside as an elite CFer and major base stealing threat. Saggesse’s upside is a solid middle infielder which can be cheaply replaced.

The season Saggese had at 21 in AA was almost surreal. He turns 24 in April. I choose to see "the glass half full" with Saggese.

Saggese's "surreal season" in 2023, earned him a Texas League MVP. He garnered a very healthy 131 w/RC+ for the season across AA (2 teams) and AAA. This is a measuring stick used by Fangraphs for a players year....it would've been better, but he floundered miserably on his promotion to AAA. He followed up that "surreal season", with a 91 w/RC+ in AAA and a 58 w/RC+ in MLB in 2024. 2024 was a flub vs. his "surreal season in 2023. 2025 he hit better in AAA and MLB, but lost nearly all of his power....from 21 HR in 2024 to 7 HR in 2025 across AAA and MLB....129 w/RC+ in AAA, 81 w/RC+ in MLB.

Interestingly enough... Jimmy Crooks III won the 2024 Texas League MVP, with a 152 w/RC+, down considerably in 2025 in AAA with a 109 w/RC+

And even better... JJ Wetherholt won the 2025 Texas League MVP with only 3 months played at the level, he mustered a 150 w/RC+, then an even more impressive 156 w/RC+ the rest of the year in AAA....now THAT IS "Surreal".

Both Crooks and Wetherholt had better initial AAA performances than Saggese.

Something about #'s and stats...they tell a lot.... it's "Surreal"

Keep doubting Saggese. Just like you did Burleson. How'd that work out for you? And your hinting that Burleson may have peaked last season is quite intriguing. I just don't see it. Just good baseball talk. Thanks for keeping it civil.

are you stupid? I didn't say "I doubted Saggese". I merely questioned his "Surreal Season" of 2023. It was a really good season, but it was equaled or surpassed by Crooks and Wetherholt. You cling to his 2023 season, but ignore 2024 and 2025. It's not a very good argument. It's like Cranny claiming Dakota Harris and Chase Davis are power hitters b/c they hit HR's in the teens during college with Aluminum bats vs. very poor competition....but haven't shown that HR prowess in the Minors vs. slightly better competition

We'll see how he does in 2026, lord only knows he NEEDS to be better. But 2023 really doesn't tell us that he will or won't excel in 2026...not when his follow up campaigns vs. much better pitching were putrid at best.

You kept doubting Burleson, too. IMO, he's progressed nicely as a very formidable MLB hitter. Like I said, my take is' the glass is half full" with Saggese. I guess we'll find out.

So you are stupid? This thread you made was about Saggese, Walker, Gorman and one other I can't remember. Not about Burley. My post about your claim of Surrealness with Saggese's season from more than 2 years ago in AA...again, Not about Burley. And right now...you can't get around these stats, Saggese's "glass" has a little bit of backwash in the bottom of it, there's not 1/4 full, 1/2 full...just a little backwash. He NEEDS to produce a quality season vs. Better Competition in 2026.

Why do you argue like that? There's a pattern there, and it's rather juvenile.

Why do you continue to be such a dickkhead? Try just discussing baseball with me without the condescending attitude. If you refuse to do that. I still can't grasp why you just don't simply ignore me if I'm so stupid. Why waste your time on a peasant like me?

I offered statistics as a rebuttal to your claim that Saggese's 2023 will be the reason he has a better season than the other 3 you cited in your OP. This is part of a baseball discussion on the internet.

You, in turn, said that I don't believe in Saggese just like Burley.....which I didn't say, it's not there in my post above. So I questioned your comprehension level. Then you doubled down with your next post...which left me with the conclusion that you are indeed "stupid".

Now you're into vulgar name calling once again...juvenile.

baseball discussions/debates don't go your way, you turn to "Burley", vulgarity, victimhood... Grow Up.

Please just leave me alone. You are the respected CT Guru. I am a nobody. Which you attempt to constantly prove to everybody. Why is that such a priority for you? You don't need to give me the time day. And please don't. And I'll ease up on your stupidity over the years regarding your poor judgement of Burleson's potential, development and production. Silver Slugger Award, baby !

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Silver Slugger Award, baby !

NL Silver Sluggers
Position/Player (wRC+/OPS+)
DH: Ohtani (172/179)
1B: Alonso (141/144)
OF: Soto (156/160)
OF: Carroll (139/140)
OF: Tucker (136/143)
Util: Burleson (124/125)

Finalists for "Utility" Silver Slugger:
DH/1B/OF: Burleson (124/125), -12.4 DEF RAA
2B/SS/OF: Donovan (119/119), -0.1 DEF RAA
1B/2B/SS: Cronenworth (117/108), +1.3 DEF RAA

Wow. Burleson, a bat-only defensive liability at lower-value defensive positions, beat out two actual utility players for the "Utility" Silver Slugger Award. Congrats!