MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 18:00 pm
He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.
with Noot's injury you may see the Cards try a platoon with Burleson and Saggese in LF? For that to happen, Contreras would still be on the team of course, and Herrera is your full time DH.
Makes you wonder how they'll trot out the positions come next April.
I have no doubt you'll see Saggese at 3B sometime next year....we're not competing next season, so I guess it really doesn't matter....I just wish we'd put something better at the corner than Saggese, after having Nado for 6 seasons. We (fans) and the pitchers were spoiled on the Defensive side of the ball with Nado there.
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 18:00 pm
He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.
with Noot's injury you may see the Cards try a platoon with Burleson and Saggese in LF? For that to happen, Contreras would still be on the team of course, and Herrera is your full time DH.
Makes you wonder how they'll trot out the positions come next April.
I have no doubt you'll see Saggese at 3B sometime next year....we're not competing next season, so I guess it really doesn't matter....I just wish we'd put something better at the corner than Saggese, after having Nado for 6 seasons. We (fans) and the pitchers were spoiled on the Defensive side of the ball with Nado there.
True dat. He will look even worse than he actually is. if Contreras gets dealt he could actually play some first base too, ya never know as the Dominican Dandy Andujar used to say.
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.
1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.
And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.
He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).
And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.
he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.
Craviduce - He's played 976 2/3 innings at 3B in the minors and 134 innings in the majors at 3B. Maybe, just maybe, the professional managers and coaches trump your "opinion".
maybe you should try watching those games, and watch his arm and footwork. Maybe you should read a scouting report on his 3B play with Texas...
Maybe you should've watched him play this year at 3B with St. Louis... his throws are loopy and slow...not a strong arm.
dismiss my opinion all you want, Cranny. It doesn't make it wrong.
No, it doesn't make it wrong. But it's just your opinion. We all have them. And a right to have them. But opinions and
observations aren't facts. And the facts are that he has been placed at 3B in games many times by professional managers and coaches. At both the minor league level and major league level.
the facts also say he's not really good at 3B...and my observation of his throws agree with the facts/metrics...that's all I said, but I got snark from you and a dismissive/condescending reply. But that's how most of your convos on here go...
My bad, craviduce. I tend to lose discipline and become snarky when posters treat their opinions as facts, and tend
to claim to know more than they actually know.
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 18:00 pm
He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.
with Noot's injury you may see the Cards try a platoon with Burleson and Saggese in LF? For that to happen, Contreras would still be on the team of course, and Herrera is your full time DH.
Makes you wonder how they'll trot out the positions come next April.
I have no doubt you'll see Saggese at 3B sometime next year....we're not competing next season, so I guess it really doesn't matter....I just wish we'd put something better at the corner than Saggese, after having Nado for 6 seasons. We (fans) and the pitchers were spoiled on the Defensive side of the ball with Nado there.
Exactly...fans are (upset) and expect more...we are tired of people 'hoping' some player will become a star...give us someone to root for...we're sick of this Mozo the Clown legacy and his [fork]ing beautiful family!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Yet.
Ever
Where on earth is he going to play?
-SS over M. Winn?
Nope
-2nd Base over JJW?
Nope
-1st Base over WillyC or Burleson?
Nope
-3rd Base over NADO, Donny or Gorman?
Nope
(And in no way, shape or form do you ever want a weak hitter like him on either one of your corners)
He's a utility player at best C4L.
Rock,
Agree Winn will be at SS. JJ would/should be at 2nd.
However, if Nado/Donny are traded, I could see a competition b/w Thomas and N. Gorman. And based on what I've seen, I'd take Saggese with that bet.
Do I think he is a great option for 3B? No, not really. I would have no problem if he became the utility IFer, playing multiple spots. However, I could see his bat improving to be a guy where he is a utility guy that gets starter ABs (different spot each day).
Rock, I know you aren't a believer. But I REALLY, REALLY think you are missing the mark here. Give the kid some time. He is a baseball rat that I believe will develop into a gritty, Donovan-like player. Teams need these types. I think he will be. Let's hope for Cards sake, he does!!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Yet.
Ever
Where on earth is he going to play?
-SS over M. Winn?
Nope
-2nd Base over JJW?
Nope
-1st Base over WillyC or Burleson?
Nope
-3rd Base over NADO, Donny or Gorman?
Nope
(And in no way, shape or form do you ever want a weak hitter like him on either one of your corners)
He's a utility player at best C4L.
Rock,
Agree Winn will be at SS. JJ would/should be at 2nd.
However, if Nado/Donny are traded, I could see a competition b/w Thomas and N. Gorman. And based on what I've seen, I'd take Saggese with that bet.
Do I think he is a great option for 3B? No, not really. I would have no problem if he became the utility IFer, playing multiple spots. However, I could see his bat improving to be a guy where he is a utility guy that gets starter ABs (different spot each day).
Rock, I know you aren't a believer. But I REALLY, REALLY think you are missing the mark here. Give the kid some time. He is a baseball rat that I believe will develop into a gritty, Donovan-like player. Teams need these types. I think he will be. Let's hope for Cards sake, he does!!
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.
1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.
And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.
He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).
And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.
And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.
He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.
Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.
Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Yet.
Ever
Where on earth is he going to play?
-SS over M. Winn?
Nope
-2nd Base over JJW?
Nope
-1st Base over WillyC or Burleson?
Nope
-3rd Base over NADO, Donny or Gorman?
Nope
(And in no way, shape or form do you ever want a weak hitter like him on either one of your corners)
He's a utility player at best C4L.
Rock,
Agree Winn will be at SS. JJ would/should be at 2nd.
However, if Nado/Donny are traded, I could see a competition b/w Thomas and N. Gorman. And based on what I've seen, I'd take Saggese with that bet.
Do I think he is a great option for 3B? No, not really. I would have no problem if he became the utility IFer, playing multiple spots. However, I could see his bat improving to be a guy where he is a utility guy that gets starter ABs (different spot each day).
Rock, I know you aren't a believer. But I REALLY, REALLY think you are missing the mark here. Give the kid some time. He is a baseball rat that I believe will develop into a gritty, Donovan-like player. Teams need these types. I think he will be. Let's hope for Cards sake, he does!!
I am rooting for him!!
Competition likely for sure BUT I'd bet anyone Gorman is by far and away the first choice.
On a team already lacking power the last thing you want is a hitter who lacks power and RBI potential at one of the corner IF slots.
I don't ever seeing Saggese being anything more than a back of the bench, utility player who (sans an injury to an IF'er) gets minimal PA's.
Sorry C4L but I'm not missing the mark, he's nothing special and will never be an everyday player here.
And in no way, shape or form is he even close to B. Donovan level (all-star, Gold Glove winner, .361 career OB%).
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Yet.
Ever
Where on earth is he going to play?
-SS over M. Winn?
Nope
-2nd Base over JJW?
Nope
-1st Base over WillyC or Burleson?
Nope
-3rd Base over NADO, Donny or Gorman?
Nope
(And in no way, shape or form do you ever want a weak hitter like him on either one of your corners)
He's a utility player at best C4L.
Rock,
Agree Winn will be at SS. JJ would/should be at 2nd.
However, if Nado/Donny are traded, I could see a competition b/w Thomas and N. Gorman. And based on what I've seen, I'd take Saggese with that bet.
Do I think he is a great option for 3B? No, not really. I would have no problem if he became the utility IFer, playing multiple spots. However, I could see his bat improving to be a guy where he is a utility guy that gets starter ABs (different spot each day).
Rock, I know you aren't a believer. But I REALLY, REALLY think you are missing the mark here. Give the kid some time. He is a baseball rat that I believe will develop into a gritty, Donovan-like player. Teams need these types. I think he will be. Let's hope for Cards sake, he does!!
I am rooting for him!!
Competition likely for sure BUT I'd bet anyone Gorman is by far and away the first choice.
On a team already lacking power the last thing you want is a hitter who lacks power and RBI potential at one of the corner IF slots.
I don't ever seeing Saggese being anything more than a back of the bench, utility player who (sans an injury to an IF'er) gets minimal PA's.
Sorry C4L but I'm not missing the mark, he's nothing special and will never be an everyday player here.
And in no way, shape or form is he even close to B. Donovan level (all-star, Gold Glove winner, .361 career OB%).
JMO and as always respect yours too!
Respect yours too Rock.
I said I think he will develop into a Donovan-type player. We shall see.
If he does, then I'll give you an "I told ya so!" If he doesn't, then you can give me the "I told ya so!"
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Yet.
Ever
Where on earth is he going to play?
-SS over M. Winn?
Nope
-2nd Base over JJW?
Nope
-1st Base over WillyC or Burleson?
Nope
-3rd Base over NADO, Donny or Gorman?
Nope
(And in no way, shape or form do you ever want a weak hitter like him on either one of your corners)
He's a utility player at best C4L.
Rock,
Agree Winn will be at SS. JJ would/should be at 2nd.
However, if Nado/Donny are traded, I could see a competition b/w Thomas and N. Gorman. And based on what I've seen, I'd take Saggese with that bet.
Do I think he is a great option for 3B? No, not really. I would have no problem if he became the utility IFer, playing multiple spots. However, I could see his bat improving to be a guy where he is a utility guy that gets starter ABs (different spot each day).
Rock, I know you aren't a believer. But I REALLY, REALLY think you are missing the mark here. Give the kid some time. He is a baseball rat that I believe will develop into a gritty, Donovan-like player. Teams need these types. I think he will be. Let's hope for Cards sake, he does!!
I am rooting for him!!
Competition likely for sure BUT I'd bet anyone Gorman is by far and away the first choice.
On a team already lacking power the last thing you want is a hitter who lacks power and RBI potential at one of the corner IF slots.
I don't ever seeing Saggese being anything more than a back of the bench, utility player who (sans an injury to an IF'er) gets minimal PA's.
Sorry C4L but I'm not missing the mark, he's nothing special and will never be an everyday player here.
And in no way, shape or form is he even close to B. Donovan level (all-star, Gold Glove winner, .361 career OB%).
JMO and as always respect yours too!
Respect yours too Rock.
I said I think he will develop into a Donovan-type player. We shall see.
If he does, then I'll give you an "I told ya so!" If he doesn't, then you can give me the "I told ya so!"
Here's to hoping he does!!
And I hope you do since he's a Cardinal!
(And no 'I told you so's from me', your opinion is as good as mine)
Shady wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:32 am
Saggese may then get a legitimate opportunity to start at 3B or 2B. The emergence of Wetherholt to go along with the talented Saggese on the infield has a lot of potential to help the Cardinals' offense in '26.
You've already posted this thread. and no, Saggese is a bench bat, and a fine one if he can cover multiple positions
MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 18:00 pm
He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.
But it's just your opinion. Saggese has a history of making good adjustments. Let's see how it goes for him.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.
1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.
And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.
He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).
And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.
And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.
He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.
Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.
Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.
You're underplaying his power potential, rock. Look at his minor league HR record. And don't try to display the power in his short time at the ML level because he's just a kid.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.
1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.
And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.
He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).
And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.
And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.
He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.
Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.
Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.
"aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras and Herrera,
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.
1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.
And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.
He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).
And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.
And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.
He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.
Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.
Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.
"by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster" .Knock, knock, anybody at home"? Burleson has more home runs in the last two seasons than both Contreras, Herrera and Gorman.
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
He's also not an everyday player.
Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.
1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.
And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.
He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).
And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.
And they'd be fools given you don't want a lack of power, weak hitter at a corner IF position.
He has NO POP, no RBI ability and I'd also question his arm at 3rd base.
Gorman is going to be given first shot at earning the 3rd base job by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster.
Geez you'd think people could grasp this simple concept.
"by virtue of his power bat, aside from I. Hererra and to a lesser extent WillyC, the only one on the roster". Knock, knock, is anybody at home? Burleson had more home runs in the last two seasons than Gorman, Herrera and Contreras.
