If Arenado is traded Saggese becomes even more relevant

[JuanAgosto]

Saggese is a good option as utility guy. Mo fell in love with these types and tried to build a roster of them.

[RamFan08NY]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

[ClassicO]

I can't believe there's this much discussion of Saggese being relevant. He's not.

[Cranny]

I can't believe there's this much discussion of Saggese being relevant. He's not.

But he could be. Really not a whole lot else to talk about re the Cardinals right now.

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

You have no idea how the kid will develop.

Nor do you

But I'm pretty confident Saggese will never come close to Carp in his seven year prime.

Like you always do, you're just promoting LOW COST, mediocre prospects in your vain attempt to guard BDWJr's wallet.

Not to worry though, El Cheapo has been slashing payroll now for two year and will do so again for a third.

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Yet.

Ever

Where on earth is he going to play?

-SS over M. Winn?
Nope

-2nd Base over JJW?
Nope

-1st Base over WillyC or Burleson?
Nope

-3rd Base over NADO, Donny or Gorman?
Nope

(And in no way, shape or form do you ever want a weak hitter like him on either one of your corners)

He's a utility player at best C4L.

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

[ecleme22]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

I’m not that high on TS, but why are we. Labeling the 23 year old Ramsey after like 300 PA?

TS’s minor league numbers compared to Ramsey’s make him look like babe Ruth.

[Cranny]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

[craviduce]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.

[Cranny]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.

Craviduce - He's played 976 2/3 innings at 3B in the minors and 134 innings in the majors at 3B. Maybe, just maybe, the professional managers and coaches trump your "opinion".

[craviduce]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.

Craviduce - He's played 976 2/3 innings at 3B in the minors and 134 innings in the majors at 3B. Maybe, just maybe, the professional managers and coaches trump your "opinion".

maybe you should try watching those games, and watch his arm and footwork. Maybe you should read a scouting report on his 3B play with Texas...

Maybe you should've watched him play this year at 3B with St. Louis... his throws are loopy and slow...not a strong arm.

dismiss my opinion all you want, Cranny. It doesn't make it wrong.

[Cranny]

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.

Craviduce - He's played 976 2/3 innings at 3B in the minors and 134 innings in the majors at 3B. Maybe, just maybe, the professional managers and coaches trump your "opinion".

maybe you should try watching those games, and watch his arm and footwork. Maybe you should read a scouting report on his 3B play with Texas...

Maybe you should've watched him play this year at 3B with St. Louis... his throws are loopy and slow...not a strong arm.

dismiss my opinion all you want, Cranny. It doesn't make it wrong.

No, it doesn't make it wrong. But it's just your opinion. We all have them. And a right to have them. But opinions and
observations aren't facts. And the facts are that he has been placed at 3B in games many times by professional managers and coaches. At both the minor league level and major league level.

[NYCardsFan]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.

Craviduce - He's played 976 2/3 innings at 3B in the minors and 134 innings in the majors at 3B. Maybe, just maybe, the professional managers and coaches trump your "opinion".

Nolan Gorman—the guy you say is terrible—“played” 1,586.2 innings at 3B in the minors. Jordan Walker “played” 1,269.1 innings at 3B in the minors. That doesn’t mean either of them would/will be a good or even adequate 3B at the MLB level.

“Maybe, just maybe,” your “innings played” stat doesn’t really tell us much other than Saggese played a lot of 3B in the minors (mostly in the Rangers’ system).

[craviduce]

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.

He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.

Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.

I hope you're right C4.

But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.

He's also not an everyday player.

Time will tell us. You may be right, but this was basically Saggeses's first season. Comparing both of their first seasons, Carp had 65 more ABs and had 6 more doubles, and 4 more HRs. This will be a big season for TS to show what hes got.

1) He's not a good enough hitter to have a full time position and 2) he's NEVER, EVER starting over NADO/Donny/Gorman at 3rd, Winn at SS, JJW at 2nd or WillyC/Burleson at 1st.

And please everyone , STOP the Carp comparison which are foolish.

He's closer to being former Cardinal utility player Mike Ramsey (.245 .293 .305 .598) vs Saggese (.258 .299 .338 .638).

And if Arenado and Donovan are traded? There are many on here who would take him at 3B over swing and miss Gorman.

he can't make the strong throw at 3B...it's too loopy and slow. His footwork at 3B is well below par. If I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't want Saggese at 3B on a regular basis.

Craviduce - He's played 976 2/3 innings at 3B in the minors and 134 innings in the majors at 3B. Maybe, just maybe, the professional managers and coaches trump your "opinion".

maybe you should try watching those games, and watch his arm and footwork. Maybe you should read a scouting report on his 3B play with Texas...

Maybe you should've watched him play this year at 3B with St. Louis... his throws are loopy and slow...not a strong arm.

dismiss my opinion all you want, Cranny. It doesn't make it wrong.

No, it doesn't make it wrong. But it's just your opinion. We all have them. And a right to have them. But opinions and
observations aren't facts. And the facts are that he has been placed at 3B in games many times by professional managers and coaches. At both the minor league level and major league level.

the facts also say he's not really good at 3B...and my observation of his throws agree with the facts/metrics...that's all I said, but I got snark from you and a dismissive/condescending reply. But that's how most of your convos on here go...

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

He would be a short term fill in at third. He is barely passible at second and not good at short. Leaves DH or conversion to left field for Thomas. He could improve with the stick, but not enough to beat out anyone at either position.