rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).
He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.
Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.
JMO
They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player
That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.
I thought that was what 2025 was for?
2025 (old front office regime had their runway as BDWJr continued to us this excuse to slash payroll)
2026 (new front office regime and BDWJr has already christened 2026 another runway season so he can slash even more payroll but changes are finally coming!)
But I've been saying I think the 2026 team will be better, maybe even a much better team if C. Bloom can get rid of the deadwood (he will), make some sharp trades (and not just for prospects) and BDWJr gives him a little bit of money to sign FA's.
How is it going to be better when they will run the same players who sucked this season and the season before back out to suck next season? It will be worse because they will replace arenado who while he doesn’t hit much is great defensively with Gorman who sucks worse hitting and is terrible defensively
Well let's see.........
Subtractions:
-No Mo = BETTER
-No M. Mikolas = BETTER
-No E. Fedde = BETTER
(Hopefully no A. Pallante in the starting rotation = BETTER)
Additions:
-C. Bloom & Associates = BETTER
-J.J.W. at 2nd Base = BETTER
-#1 rated farm system Fangraphs = BETTER
And more subtractions & additions coming soon after the World Series.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Very true, but he could approach the Donovan level.
Jordan Walker: While primarily an outfielder, Walker has infield experience and could be considered for a move to third base if the team wants to keep his bat in the lineup -lots of outfield depth.
earp wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:58 pm
Jordan Walker: While primarily an outfielder, Walker has infield experience and could be considered for a move to third base if the team wants to keep his bat in the lineup -lots of outfield depth.
mizfan wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 00:32 am
If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.
Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.
I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.
Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?
Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.
Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.
You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts
So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2
He had his moments. Both good and bad. He struck out too much with zero power. I hope I'm wrong. But he just looks like a 4a or utility player to me. There just isn't anything that screams everyday mlb potential.
Do you define "zero power" as having 18 home runs in 139 games?
3 homeruns in 324 at bats bats. .625 ops. .333 slg. That's zero power. I'm not making stuff up Cranny. I have a reason for thinking he is a bench guy. You know how many aaa and Texas league superstars there are? Saggesse is one of them.
earp wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:58 pm
Jordan Walker: While primarily an outfielder, Walker has infield experience and could be considered for a move to third base if the team wants to keep his bat in the lineup -lots of outfield depth.
Where’s your outfield depth?
Donnie and Noot
Walker is suspect at this point
Scott/Siani/Church should never be on an MLB roster
Cranny wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:52 pm
Very true, but he could approach the Donovan level.
So now you're saying Saggese (.250 .292 .333 .625) who's J.A.G is going to be an All-Star, Gold Glove winner and post a slash equal to Donovan's career .282 .361 .411 .772?
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
Cranny wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:52 pm
Very true, but he could approach the Donovan level.
So now you're saying Saggese (.250 .292 .333 .625) who's J.A.G is going to be an All-Star, Gold Glove winner and post a slash equal to Donovan's career .282 .361 .411 .772?
You're delusional
Got it, rock. If my opinion is a bit different than your opinion, I'm "delusional".
Cranny wrote: ↑25 Oct 2025 13:52 pm
Very true, but he could approach the Donovan level.
So now you're saying Saggese (.250 .292 .333 .625) who's J.A.G is going to be an All-Star, Gold Glove winner and post a slash equal to Donovan's career .282 .361 .411 .772?
You're delusional
Got it, rock. If my opinion is a bit different than your opinion, I'm "delusional".
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Oct 2025 10:35 am
No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.
JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.
Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?
JMO
If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.
You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?
Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.
To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.
Oh H E L L NO RF!
A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!
And you want "2 or 3 like him"?
BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.
I don't want either at 3rd base.
But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.
Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.
Rock,
Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.
Sorry C4L but in no way can I see Saggese (J.A.G.) ever coming even close to being at prime M. Carpenter level.
He'll never approach Carp's OB% or power since he lacks both.
Carp never had real power until he sold out his hitting skills for straight pull power. Saggese will be that high doubles guy with probably 15-20 Hrs.
I hope you're right C4.
But M. Carp was one of the best lead-off hitters in MLB for a seven year period (.275 .377 .471 .849), Saggese won't come anywhere near those numbers.
