If Arenado is traded Saggese becomes even more relevant

[mizfan]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

[Ozziesfan41]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Same can be said of 1 tool Norman he can’t even hit well enough to use the one tool

[hullie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.

We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

Burley was the best hitter on the 25 Cardinals. Sadly, youre obviously trolling for personal reasons.

He was but If burly is your 3 hole hitter your team is not good.

[2ninr]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.

We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

Burley was the best hitter on the 25 Cardinals. Sadly, youre obviously trolling for personal reasons.

He was but If burly is your 3 hole hitter your team is not good.

That'strue. But Wainright is a better hitter than 5 of the guys we trotted out there most nights. That's the problem more than where they fit in the lineup.

[Cranny]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

[2ninr]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

[Cranny]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

[2ninr]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

[Cranny]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

[2ninr]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).

He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.

Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.

JMO

They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player

That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.

Wasn't 2025 supposed to be for that?

New regime coming in and we know BDWJr isn't going to spend any real money in 2026.

Gorman isn't my choice (Saggesse absolutely isn't, J.A.G. w/no power) but if NADO and Donovan are traded (likely), then Gorman is going to be the first player to be given a shot at 3rd base given his power upside.

Yea saggase may be JAG but Gorman is just another awful failed player. If they go with him not only are they not caring if they win but intentionally trying to lose and would be a good indicator bloom might be an idiot

If NADO and Donovan are traded, Gorman is going to be the guy who's given the first shot at 3rd base.

And Bloom is far from an "idiot" if he gives Gorman one more shot in what is being described as a re-build season.

It would be dumb. Maybe he isn’t dumb but that’s dumb. This season was supposed to be the runway season then he will need next season to be a runway season so Gorman can again prove he sucks? lol but of course once he sucks next season his trade value will officially tanked so bloom will be taking a page from mos playbook keep running players who suck out there every season until they have no more value then trade them for nothing. Hooray the cardinals savior has arrived to do the same dumb things mo did

Again, not my first choice either.

But if both NADO & Donny are dealt (likely?), then the last person I want as my everyday 3rd baseman is a weak hitting player who's J.A.G.

Gorman has upside power, something sorrily lacking throughout the organization.

Pretty sure if he's still struggling midseason the new POBO will make a move.

But the right move if the above two are dealt, is to give Gorman the job and he either sinks or swims.

[rockondlouie]

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Shady loves to pick out “B,“ “C,” and “D-level” prospects and confidently (and relentlessly) proclaim them future All-Stars and HOFers as a reliable angle/vehicle for getting attention. He usually dishonestly frames this conceit in “me against the world” terms (“I’m the only one who identified/championed player XYZ against all the doubters/skeptics/haters,” etc.). To his credit, over the years it has proven to be a remarkably effective strategy for generating/attracting the attention he so desperately craves.

Of course, he will then dodge all accountability when his predictions prove ridiculously wrong—and they always do.

Does he ever NYCF.

And your analysis of him is spot on.

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Ok, so you dont judge by batting avg. You go with the new fangled measurements. Thats fine, but if you have a lineup filled with .260 - .270 hitters, youre going to score runs, and youre going to win more games than you lose. .275 is pretty much the new .300.

I dont care how much power Gorman has, if he continues to hit around the 200 mark, hes not a "mile" better than anyone.

It's simply one stat line and not the best when it comes to evaluating a hitters overall value.

And I go w/both my extensive experience playing thru college as well as the advanced metric but I don't rely on one over the other.

Certain hitters (aka lead-off men) who hit for both a high B.A. AND a high OB% (which Saggese lacks) are very valuable especially if they're also base stealers.

But I'd rather have a TGKS type (career .231 B.A.) who sports a OB%/SLG%/OPS slash of .346 .500 .846 for his career over a weak hitter who happens to hit .27 pts higher w/no power.

It's very difficult in todays baseball w/pitchers throwing upper 90's to string together three singles and the odd double in an inning.

Does it happen? Sure

But the game is now power centric.

Home Runs win games.

Give me the low B.A. hitter like TGKS w/the solid OB% and high SLG%/OPS over those single hitters every day.

(And if Gorman launches 25-30 HR's in 2026 w/a .220 B.A., then he's a MASSIVELY better player than Saggesse and his .258, no power, B.A.)

But I respect your opinion as always.

[Absolut]

Op mistakenly assumes a poor defender with an 81 ops+ was relevant to begin.

[Cranny]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2