If Arenado is traded Saggese becomes even more relevant

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

[Cranny]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2

He had his moments. Both good and bad. He struck out too much with zero power. I hope I'm wrong. But he just looks like a 4a or utility player to me. There just isn't anything that screams everyday mlb potential.

Do you define "zero power" as having 18 home runs in 139 games?

[WLTFE]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

You're being double teamed by Shady and his new sweetie...strange and it is [fork]ing weird...

[NYCardsFan]

But rocky, the Amazing Kreskin of baseball has firmly labeled Saggese a "J.A.G". Put it to rest. Saggese has no chance to improve like Burleson has. LOL

Speaking of “The Amazing Kreskin of baseball”:

Burleson: “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto”
Gorman: “the next Eddie Mathews”
Walker: “Frank Robinson”
Yepez: “a prime-Pujols”
Rom: “Tudor-like”
Pallante: “a righty Chris Carpenter”
Roby: “a young Tom Seaver”
Saggese: “Steve Garvey” and “Jeff Bagwell”
Scott II: “Lou Brock”
Carlson: “will be the best hitter on the MLB team from day-one”

The list goes on and on. “Stay tuned.” “LOL”

[Shady]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2

He had his moments. Both good and bad. He struck out too much with zero power. I hope I'm wrong. But he just looks like a 4a or utility player to me. There just isn't anything that screams everyday mlb potential.

Do you define "zero power" as having 18 home runs in 139 games?

Some of the these brilliant posters, including rocky, seem to have a myopia issue when it comes to young players with potential. Ex. Saggese now and Burleson earlier.

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

You're being double teamed by Shady and his new sweetie...strange and it is [fork]ing weird...

The new Odd Couple indeed.

Time for me to get off their bizarre hamster wheel.

[WLTFE]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

You're being double teamed by Shady and his new sweetie...strange and it is [fork]ing weird...

The new Odd Couple indeed.

Time for me to get off their bizarre hamster wheel.

Certainly strange bedfellows...must be due to Mozo the Clown staying home with his beautiful family...someone needs a new buddy!

[Shady]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

You're being double teamed by Shady and his new sweetie...strange and it is [fork]ing weird...

Actually, you are the one being weird. But "par for the course" for you.

[WLTFE]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

You're being double teamed by Shady and his new sweetie...strange and it is [fork]ing weird...

Actually, you are the one being weird.

enjoy playing with your new sweetie...and it is [fork]ing creepy.

[Cardinals4Life]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).

He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.

Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.

JMO

They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player

That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.

I thought that was what 2025 was for?

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).

He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.

Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.

JMO

They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player

That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.

I thought that was what 2025 was for?

2025 (old front office regime had their runway as BDWJr continued to us this excuse to slash payroll)

2026 (new front office regime and BDWJr has already christened 2026 another runway season so he can slash even more payroll but changes are finally coming!)

But I've been saying I think the 2026 team will be better, maybe even a much better team if C. Bloom can get rid of the deadwood (he will), make some sharp trades (and not just for prospects) and BDWJr gives him a little bit of money to sign FA's.

[Cardinals4Life]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

[Ozziesfan41]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).

He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.

Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.

JMO

They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player

That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.

I thought that was what 2025 was for?

2025 (old front office regime had their runway as BDWJr continued to us this excuse to slash payroll)

2026 (new front office regime and BDWJr has already christened 2026 another runway season so he can slash even more payroll but changes are finally coming!)

But I've been saying I think the 2026 team will be better, maybe even a much better team if C. Bloom can get rid of the deadwood (he will), make some sharp trades (and not just for prospects) and BDWJr gives him a little bit of money to sign FA's.

How is it going to be better when they will run the same players who sucked this season and the season before back out to suck next season? It will be worse because they will replace arenado who while he doesn’t hit much is great defensively with Gorman who sucks worse hitting and is terrible defensively

[moose-and-squirrel]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

Rock,

Give Saggese a chance. He has improved tremendously at every level and made adjustments. He will 100% be a better player than Gorman. I think he will be like a young Matt Carpenter given a little time.

good comp... they both have the same weak arm

[greyhawk]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?

If he's here, then he's a utility player (replacing B. Donovan if he's dealt).

He also could be a throw in on any bigger deal C. Bloom could make.

Either way, he's NOT a starter at any position.

JMO

They are serious about wanting to tank if they have Gorman playing at third everyday. Bad defense can’t hit low on base low ops just an awful player. He’s worse than a JAG he’s a just another awful player

That's what they're going to use 2026 for, to see if players like N. Gorman are going to pan out or is it time to cut the cord and move on.

I thought that was what 2025 was for?

it should have been --- problem is a likely shutdown season in 2027 means DeWallet isn't going to spend on any player contracts that extend beyond this year IMO. I think we are gonna see even more younger players making less money this season, my guess is they will try very hard to move as many salaries as they can and again especially ones that extend into 2027 and beyond.

[Cranny]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

"chumpy"



BTW I once saw Kreskin, he was indeed amazing.

You're being double teamed by Shady and his new sweetie...strange and it is [fork]ing weird...

Actually, you are the one being weird. But "par for the course" for you.

Shady -

I'm not a particular fan of yours as a poster, in a general sense, but I do share some of your enthusiasm for certain Cardinal prospects. Especially ones who have performed at a high level coming through the system.

I shared your optimism for Burleson, especially after his.331/.372/.532/.905 performance at Memphis in 2022. He has indeed settled in now as a productive major league hitter.

I like Saggese because of his versatility. and the fact that he seems like a "baseball rat" who loves to play the game. That 2023 season where he was named the minor league All Star at 2B was special. Kind of a similar type to Donovan. Every team needs players like that on their 26 man roster.

On deck now is JJ. Can't wait until he gets here.