If Arenado is traded Saggese becomes even more relevant

[Cranny]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2023 and
82 games in 2025? A total of 347 plate appearances? At 22 years old and 23 years old? Sheeeesh.

And whoever spreads the myth that Saggese has no power should do his homework. See below -

AAA - 26 home runs in 780 plate appearances
AA - 26 home runs in 589 plate appearances
A+ - 14 home runs in 419 plate appearances
A - 10 home runs in 288 plate appearances

[WLTFE]

Shady has a boyfriend!

[rockondlouie]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2023 and
82 games in 2025? A total of 347 plate appearances? At 22 years old and 23 years old? Sheeeesh.

And whoever spreads the myth that Saggese has no power should do his homework. See below -

AAA - 26 home runs in 780 plate appearances
AA - 26 home runs in 589 plate appearances
A+ - 14 home runs in 419 plate appearances
A - 10 home runs in 288 plate appearances

"Myth"

He's managed only three (3) HR's in 347 major league plate appearances!

What he did against inferior minor league pitching is meaningless.

Saggese is J.A.G.

At best a back of the bench utility player who should NEVER, EVER be starting at any position.

Geez do your own homework cranny.

[Shady]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.

We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

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Saggese was also named Texas League MVP in '23 at 21 years old. By the way, if you consider Burleson a "light hitting clown". Please list all those whom you consider, were more productive Cardinals' hitters than Burleson in '25. And back it up with solid reasons. Please take strikeout rates into consideration.

Bottom line, Shady, is that some of these other posters should be rooting for Burleson and Saggese to succeed, rather than putting them down.

The Cardinals will be very fortunate if Saggese becomes the kind of productive hitter Burleson has been.

[Shady]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Some players do make good progress. Ex. Alec Burleson.

[Shady]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Saggese is underrated, at this time by some, because he hasn't delivered much power as yet. It will come.

We don’t need another light hitting clown like burly clogging up the lineup. Especially the third spot.

Burley was the best hitter on the 25 Cardinals. Sadly, youre obviously trolling for personal reasons.

He was but If burly is your 3 hole hitter your team is not good.

This is what's ludicrous, "light hitting clown like burly".

[Shady]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

[2ninr]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2

He had his moments. Both good and bad. He struck out too much with zero power. I hope I'm wrong. But he just looks like a 4a or utility player to me. There just isn't anything that screams everyday mlb potential.

[Shady]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2

He had his moments. Both good and bad. He struck out too much with zero power. I hope I'm wrong. But he just looks like a 4a or utility player to me. There just isn't anything that screams everyday mlb potential.

Like I posted earlier, "Some players do make good progress. Ex. Alec Burleson".

[rockondlouie]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

[Mort Gage]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Utility Silver Slugger somehow means even less than Utility Gold Glove. MLB should be embarrassed they are handing the NL award to Burleson, Donovan, or Cronenworth. It's not worth the metal used to make the trophy.

[2ninr]

If Saggese is really an important part of this team they will never qualify for any deep run in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with having a decent hitting sub who can play multiple positions. Ala Donovan. Having both Donovan and Saggese on the team in 2026 does seems a bit redundant, though.

I think they will trade Donovan and Saggesse will be your ut guy. But don't confuse their abilities. Donovan played everyday when healthy. Saggesse shouldn't. That's Mizfans point.

Why shouldn’t Saggase play everyday?

Do I really have to answer that? He would be Arenado without the defense at third. We have another guy coming up to play second. He's a utility guy. Why be obtuse?.

Just an opinion. We all have them, along with a right to have them. Not being obtuse at all. Perhaps Saggese earns a spot at 2B and JJ starts at 3B.

You are right. It's my opinion he is a ut player at best. We need better everyday players than him. But things like .4 war .638 OPS 295 obp .338 slug aren't my opinion. Those are facts

So you want to use the major league stats of a young player like Saggese, who had 18 major league games in 2

He had his moments. Both good and bad. He struck out too much with zero power. I hope I'm wrong. But he just looks like a 4a or utility player to me. There just isn't anything that screams everyday mlb potential.

Like I posted earlier, "Some players do make good progress. Ex. Alec Burleson".

I hate to break it to you-but you didn't discover Burleson. He had obvious ml hit tool before he ever got here. It's just been a question of whether it's good enough to offset his deficiency in the other 4 tools.

[rockondlouie]

Utility Silver Slugger somehow means even less than Utility Gold Glove. MLB should be embarrassed they are handing the NL award to Burleson, Donovan, or Cronenworth. It's not worth the metal used to make the trophy.

+1

None of those three's 2025 can be considered Silver Slugger worthy.

Bumbles
18 HR's
.290 .343 .459 .801

Donny
10 HR
.287 .353 .422 .775

Cronenworth
11 HR
.246 .367 .377 .744

[Cranny]

I've done enough homework over the years to never generalize about a player's future after his first 347 major league PAs. During a time when pitchers adjust to a hitter, the hitter hopefully adjusts back, etc. They say a good measurement is to see how he's doing after 500-600 plate appearances. Ergo, the jury is still out on Saggese. Got that, rock?

[Shady]

No he doesn't become relevant at all, let alone "more" relevant.

JJW is going to be starting at 2nd Base w/N. Gorman at 3rd Base if NADO is dealt.

Saggese is J.A.G., what is the obsession w/a player who slashed .258 .299 .338 .638 in 2025?


JMO

If Saggese is "JAG" while hitting .260, then please get us about 2 or 3 like him. The Cards have too many starters hitting .220-ish.

You dont think they'd be better off with a few "JAGs" hitting 40 pts higher?

Gorman had 100 more ABs than Saggese. Both had same number of doubles. Gorman had 12 more HRs. Saggese hit over 50 points higher in BA. Give me the "JAG" who puts the ball in play and can hit doubles.

To put it in perspective. Donovan hit a double in 6% of his ABs. Saggese hit a double in 5% of his ABs. You are under estimating Saggese's potential if played every day.

Oh H E L L NO RF!

A BA of .258 is "meh" when you toss in the rest of his slash .299 .342 .641 he's a HORRIBLE hitter!

And you want "2 or 3 like him"?

BA isn't the right stat to judge a hitter by anymore.

I don't want either at 3rd base.

But given we have to have one, it's Gorman by a mile over the weak hitting Saggese.

Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G.

"Again, what is the fascination of some of our fans w/a Saggese who's J.A.G". You were probably wondering the same about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are.

Wrong as usually shadymaple

I've CORRECTLY said since his arrival he's a platoon player because he can't hit LHP (.235 .272 .335 .606).

Try and keep up.

In case you haven't heard, Burleson was nominated for the Silver Slugger Award. And he has a good chance to get it. As you suggested, "Try and keep up". LOL

Changing the subject?

You claimed I was ".. probably wondering the same (being J.A.G) about Burleson a couple years back. Maybe you still are".

I never once have labeled Bumbles a J.A.G. but have absolutely labeled him a platoon player since until this season he's been terrible vs LHP.

Try to keep up.

So your assertion was indeed wrong.

But he improved vs LHP in 2025 and if he's still a Cardinal in 2026, then I'll be pulling for him to keep improving.

Very few in here are anti-Bumbles, just tired of your bloviating over him or your latest obsession.

Get off your high horse, chumpy.

[Shady]

I've done enough homework over the years to never generalize about a player's future after his first 347 major league PAs. During a time when pitchers adjust to a hitter, the hitter hopefully adjusts back, etc. They say a good measurement is to see how he's doing after 500-600 plate appearances. Ergo, the jury is still out on Saggese. Got that, rock?

But rocky, the Amazing Kreskin of baseball, has firmly labeled Saggese a "J.A.G". Put it to rest. Saggese has no chance to improve like Burleson has. LOL