If Girardi were the 2025 Cardinals manager

[Ordinary Man]

Man, you two guys need to get a room.

[JuanAgosto]

Im not making an argument for Guillen to manage. I asked why not use him instead. Keep up.

Okay.

We both agree Girardi was talked about on CT in the last 2-3 years, right?

We can agree that JG hasn’t managed in 13 years and JoeG 3.5, right?

And we can both agree that they are neck and neck as far as being formidable managers in their tenure, right?

So why is it weird I chose Girardi?

Because you pull one name out of several people mentioned in this forum. I throw a name in with a similar resume and you act like it's foolish. So here's another name. Dusty Baker. Better resume than Girardi. More recently a manager. And mentioned much more on here than Joe Girardi.

The foolishness comes not from you mentioning Guillen, but from you being beside yourself on why I would use girardi in my OP and not Guillen. It’s weird.

And I guess I could’ve used Baker, but he’s been retired for a while. And he’s more of a players manager, unlike Girardi.

Boy, basil shabaz has sure sent you on a wild goose chase. lol

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

[Basil Shabazz]

Man, you two guys need to get a room.

lol

I agree. This is a common occurrence for ecleme unfortunately.

[ecleme22]

Okay.

We both agree Girardi was talked about on CT in the last 2-3 years, right?

We can agree that JG hasn’t managed in 13 years and JoeG 3.5, right?

And we can both agree that they are neck and neck as far as being formidable managers in their tenure, right?

So why is it weird I chose Girardi?

Because you pull one name out of several people mentioned in this forum. I throw a name in with a similar resume and you act like it's foolish. So here's another name. Dusty Baker. Better resume than Girardi. More recently a manager. And mentioned much more on here than Joe Girardi.

The foolishness comes not from you mentioning Guillen, but from you being beside yourself on why I would use girardi in my OP and not Guillen. It’s weird.

And I guess I could’ve used Baker, but he’s been retired for a while. And he’s more of a players manager, unlike Girardi.

Boy, basil shabaz has sure sent you on a wild goose chase. lol

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

[Bomber1]

Because you pull one name out of several people mentioned in this forum. I throw a name in with a similar resume and you act like it's foolish. So here's another name. Dusty Baker. Better resume than Girardi. More recently a manager. And mentioned much more on here than Joe Girardi.

The foolishness comes not from you mentioning Guillen, but from you being beside yourself on why I would use girardi in my OP and not Guillen. It’s weird.

And I guess I could’ve used Baker, but he’s been retired for a while. And he’s more of a players manager, unlike Girardi.

Boy, basil shabaz has sure sent you on a wild goose chase. lol

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Well that isn’t what you actually did.

What you said was “…. Joe Girardi would be so celebrated on Cardstalk”.

So instead of actually inviting discussion as you would have, had you actually written the OP as you seem to think you did above, you begin by being argumentative.

As usual.

[ecleme22]

The foolishness comes not from you mentioning Guillen, but from you being beside yourself on why I would use girardi in my OP and not Guillen. It’s weird.

And I guess I could’ve used Baker, but he’s been retired for a while. And he’s more of a players manager, unlike Girardi.

Boy, basil shabaz has sure sent you on a wild goose chase. lol

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Well that isn’t what you actually did.

What you said was “…. Joe Girardi would be so celebrated on Cardstalk”.

So instead of actually inviting discussion as you would have, had you actually written the OP as you seem to think you did above, you begin by being argumentative.

As usual.

An OP is the beginning of a conversation.

Some are written as questions. Others as assertions.

Keep learning

[JuanAgosto]

Because you pull one name out of several people mentioned in this forum. I throw a name in with a similar resume and you act like it's foolish. So here's another name. Dusty Baker. Better resume than Girardi. More recently a manager. And mentioned much more on here than Joe Girardi.

The foolishness comes not from you mentioning Guillen, but from you being beside yourself on why I would use girardi in my OP and not Guillen. It’s weird.

And I guess I could’ve used Baker, but he’s been retired for a while. And he’s more of a players manager, unlike Girardi.

Boy, basil shabaz has sure sent you on a wild goose chase. lol

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

[ecleme22]

The foolishness comes not from you mentioning Guillen, but from you being beside yourself on why I would use girardi in my OP and not Guillen. It’s weird.

And I guess I could’ve used Baker, but he’s been retired for a while. And he’s more of a players manager, unlike Girardi.

Boy, basil shabaz has sure sent you on a wild goose chase. lol

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

[JuanAgosto]

Not beside myself at all. I just asked a question and was not getting a legitimate answer. Just thought it was weird you singled out one guy's name out of several that have been mentioned over the past couple years.

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

[ecleme22]

I don’t recall OG’s name ever being mentioned on here. At least not in the last decade.

This is what we call grasping at straws, bud. Look it up.

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

Me from Page 3:
Girardi is a former mlb player, WS champion and team leader. He is also known to be a stern manager and not necessarily the players’ best friend.

There are certain optics that are the antithesis of what Marmol is, that some CTers would probably love.

[JuanAgosto]

I mentioned it, dumb[ash]. As a comparison to your name drop. Good grief. You have nothing other than avoiding the original question.

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

Me from Page 3:
Girardi is a former mlb player, WS champion and team leader. He is also known to be a stern manager and not necessarily the players’ best friend.

There are certain optics that are the antithesis of what Marmol is, that some CTers would probably love.

Those attributes probably have the Cardinals in a better position this year. That being the case, you probably answered the original question.

[ecleme22]

So you’re wondering why I didn’t use Guillen in my OP because you mentioned him after I wrote the OP?

Lol. You grasping at straws. “Why didn’t you mention Ozzie Guillen in your OP??!!” How random…

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

Me from Page 3:
Girardi is a former mlb player, WS champion and team leader. He is also known to be a stern manager and not necessarily the players’ best friend.

There are certain optics that are the antithesis of what Marmol is, that some CTers would probably love.

Those attributes probably have the Cardinals in a better position this year. That being the case, you probably answered the original question.

[Handshake]

I assumed you saw this reply. I shouldn't have. I should've copy/pasted it earlier in our convo.

[JuanAgosto]

You have real reading comprehension problems. I asked why you picked one random guy who had been discussed. Several others have been mentioned, but you singled out one. You have failed to provide an answer to that simple question.

I mentioned Guillen because he was very similar. Nowhere did I question why you didn't use him. You took issue because he had been away from the game for a while. Yet your choice had been also.

Try reading very slowly. Maybe have someone else read it and explain so you understand.

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

Me from Page 3:
Girardi is a former mlb player, WS champion and team leader. He is also known to be a stern manager and not necessarily the players’ best friend.

There are certain optics that are the antithesis of what Marmol is, that some CTers would probably love.

Those attributes probably have the Cardinals in a better position this year. That being the case, you probably answered the original question.

[Handshake]

I assumed you saw this reply. I shouldn't have. I should've copy/pasted it earlier in our convo.

I didn't. My mistake. After all of that, I think we ultimately agree that the team needs to move forward in the dugout. Marmol probably has better success with a better roster. But nothing indicates this team will have one anytime soon. So maybe the move is to see if somebody else can get more out of this group.

[ecleme22]

You: “Why did you pick this random manager and not that random manager?”

I think it’s great you mentioned Guillen, but he’s been away from the game 13 years. And if you know about math, 3.5 years is different than 13 years. Also, you have admitted that Girardi has been mentioned on CT.

So in my OP, I used a manager who managed as recently as 2022 and has been discussed on CT.

So…what’s your beef?

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

Me from Page 3:
Girardi is a former mlb player, WS champion and team leader. He is also known to be a stern manager and not necessarily the players’ best friend.

There are certain optics that are the antithesis of what Marmol is, that some CTers would probably love.

Those attributes probably have the Cardinals in a better position this year. That being the case, you probably answered the original question.

[Handshake]

I assumed you saw this reply. I shouldn't have. I should've copy/pasted it earlier in our convo.

I didn't. My mistake. After all of that, I think we ultimately agree that the team needs to move forward in the dugout. Marmol probably has better success with a better roster. But nothing indicates this team will have one anytime soon. So maybe the move is to see if somebody else can get more out of this group.

Totally agree.

Thanks, man.

[ronnie76]

What about 2023? Also, is the OP suggesting the Pythagorean record is not influenced by the manager?

[JuanAgosto]

I dont have a beef. I asked why you chose that one guy. Got no straight answer. So I posed another name and you blew it off because he'd been out of the game too long. So I posed another name. You admitted that guy was a name that could've been considered. You were the one who got offended and claimed 'straw man' and such.

You asked me if I wrote OPs like this one when Matheny and Shildt were managers. Funny question.

Later I said if you wanted to write an OP about Guillen, that would be cool.

I haven't been offended at all. I find it funny you're like 'why not Guillen?' Then you're like, 'why not Baker?'

LOL. So random.

For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison. You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.

Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed. Why is that funny? Its strange you avoided answering that too.

You: For the 10th time, Guillen has a similar resume to Girardi. I was making a comparison.
Me: Uh...why? Who cares if you think OG has a similar resume to JG....

You: You wanted a name who had been a manager more recently so I mentioned Baker.
Me: No I didn't.

You: Yes i asked if you wrote OPs like this when Matheny and Shildt managed.
Me: Why? What does it matter? But in a hypothetical, if either one had a positive record vs. their Pythagorean, while also loathed on CardsTalk, I might write an OP asking if that positive record happened under a different manager, would we look at it differently?

Do you understand that forums are to express thoughts and opinions? You asked the original question and I acting within the spirit of a forum posed a question. One that was never answered. Then I suggested another name which does (in reality, not just opinion), have a similar resume to your guy. You said Guillen had been out too long (stupid reason), and had never been mentioned. So, I brought up a more recent manager in Baker.

As for Matheny and Shildt, they had more success than Marmol. They both were ridiculed on here (especially Matheny). So my question is valid.

I think it's great that you wish my OP used Guillen as an example instead of Girardi. I'm not sure why it matters or even the point of bringing up Guillen.

From memory, you thought it was weird I brought up JG since he hasn't managed in 3 years. I said that wasn't that long ago. Then you randomly brought up why I didn't use Guillen in my OP. And I did note that he's been out of the game for 13 years, which is pretty long ago.

If you want to debate how we measure/perceive lengths of time, that's cool. LOL

I originally asked why you randomly chose Girardi. Never got an answer. I mentioned a guy with a similar resume. Never argued he should've been your topic.

Me from Page 3:
Girardi is a former mlb player, WS champion and team leader. He is also known to be a stern manager and not necessarily the players’ best friend.

There are certain optics that are the antithesis of what Marmol is, that some CTers would probably love.

Those attributes probably have the Cardinals in a better position this year. That being the case, you probably answered the original question.

[Handshake]

I assumed you saw this reply. I shouldn't have. I should've copy/pasted it earlier in our convo.

I didn't. My mistake. After all of that, I think we ultimately agree that the team needs to move forward in the dugout. Marmol probably has better success with a better roster. But nothing indicates this team will have one anytime soon. So maybe the move is to see if somebody else can get more out of this group.

Totally agree.

Thanks, man.

I apologize for the continued back-and-forth long after missing your post. I do feel like a fool. Thank you for being nice about it.