Helsley has given up 11 ER in 10.1 IP for NYM

[Jobu's Rum]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

[Bully4you]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

[Jobu's Rum]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Yeah either minor league deal or a 1 year prove it deal.

[Bully4you]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Yeah either minor league deal or a 1 year prove it deal.

I just think he can't handle pressure.
He's very talented, just too much anxiety.

[Bomber1]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

It was reported here that Helsley wanted a “Josh Hader” type deal.

He’ll be lucky to get any multi-year deal.

1. Thank goodness they didn’t keep him and offer a QO to “get the draft pick”. He would have accepted the QO so fast the ink wouldn’t have dried before he signed.

2. Agree with your last sentence.

[Cardinals4Life]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Yeah either minor league deal or a 1 year prove it deal.

He isn't going to have to take a minor league deal. C'mon, guy!!

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He faced 4 batters against the Tigers yesterday and allowed 1 run on 2 hits on just 5 pitches before he was removed.

[Carp4Cy]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Do they though? So far Baez has a .676 OPS at A+. So that's a long way to go to even reach the majors, and if he makes it, doesn't he currently project as just another MIer who doesn't have a MOTO bat?

[Talkin' Baseball]

Some Oklahoma boys don't like it in New York City.

[Absolut]

Fernandez is jealous of that success.

[ecleme22]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Hard to know if Helsley could’ve gotten you more in the offseason.

[njcardfan]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Hard to know if Helsley could’ve gotten you more in the offseason.

How could he not? He was the best closer in the game last year. He was meh at this year’s trade deadline.

[Ozziesfan41]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Hard to know if Helsley could’ve gotten you more in the offseason.

How could he not? He was the best closer in the game last year. He was meh at this year’s trade deadline.

Yea it’s not hard to figure out he would have brought more when he was coming off of an All-Star dominating season had a full season of control and could be offered a QO as opposed to two months of control had already blown more saves than he had the entire previous season couldn’t be offered a QO and hitters were hitting well over .300 against his fastball. Mo was dumb and wasn’t interested in trading him or fedde because he thought this team was a post season contender

[ClassicO]

Melville wrote: ↑30 May 2025 08:41 am

Offer 4 year extension.
17M a year, with 3M deferred annually and payable beginning in 2030.
5th year team option with 2M buyout.
Player opt out after year one and two.
He would sign it.
And it would be a smart move for STL.

[Ozziesfan41]

Melville wrote: ↑30 May 2025 08:41 am

Offer 4 year extension.
17M a year, with 3M deferred annually and payable beginning in 2030.
5th year team option with 2M buyout.
Player opt out after year one and two.
He would sign it.
And it would be a smart move for STL.

Yea he was the one leading the pounding of drums to keep helsley in the offseason and extend him

[ecleme22]

As opposed to the 12 ER in 36 IP with STL.

Finally, a trade where the Cards aren't the immediate loser lol

Baez and Dohm look promising. Based on that promise alone, that already makes this a rare win for them.

Yeah, Helsley is not a keeper long-term.
Mets won't resign him either.
He also won't get the big payday he was expecting.
Should have traded him last offseason for more.

Hard to know if Helsley could’ve gotten you more in the offseason.

How could he not? He was the best closer in the game last year. He was meh at this year’s trade deadline.

Yea it’s not hard to figure out he would have brought more when he was coming off of an All-Star dominating season had a full season of control and could be offered a QO as opposed to two months of control had already blown more saves than he had the entire previous season couldn’t be offered a QO and hitters were hitting well over .300 against his fastball. Mo was dumb and wasn’t interested in trading him or fedde because he thought this team was a post season contender

Let's remember, while RH was a lot more hittable with STL in 2025, he was still decent, with a 3.00 ERA / 21 SV / 1.1 WAR.

Unless MO/Bloom formally rejected a deal during the offseason, we don't really know.

The reason I raise this argument is based on the demand during the trade deadline potentially increasing.

So while RH's stats weren't as sexy as March, his market potentially increased based on a team's desperation.