Cranny wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 10:55 am
You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.
No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.
If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.
Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.
I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.
What's the matter with you?
It's none of your business, geesh.
Most people on CT are congenial, JDW, and enjoy learning things about each other - the general area (city) where they live or grew up, where they went to high school, where they went to college, if they were in the military, the type of work they do (or did), how many games a year they go to, when they started being a Cardinal fan, etc. Nothing wrong with that at all. It’s inherent in human nature to learn about others.
it has nothing to do with baseball. It's an intimidation tactic. It's really sad. When you lose an argument, you go personal and very low with insults. Clever as you might think they are, it's really weak, but that's your modus operandi.
And when people say "You're better than that", we expect better from the guy who professes to have never been in trouble with a MOD.
Craviduce - it’s truly beneath you to troll me like that. You’re much better. People are always trying to find things in common with other people on here.
Outside of baseball. Please don’t try to deny that.
I’ve asked NY multiple times what region he is from in NY state. I went to school in the state, that’s why I have an interest. It’s a very innocent ask. And not out of line at at.
you ask Once for it to be as you said "a very innocent ask". He ignored you, so you leave it at that. Instead, you stalked him 4 or 5 more times demanding where he's from... That's creepy, trolling, harassing. It's beneath the moniker and squeaky clean image you love to trumpet. Who cares if he challenged your opinion on the internet. That's how these forums function. They don't function for you to go unchallenged. And he wasn't talking to you anyways. He was correcting/disputing something Shady was purporting.
You have whined incessantly in the past about a poster or two on here that "stalks" you... the Irony here is THICK.
Irony, Craviduce. Got it. By the way, you’re a terrific poster - when you stay within your area of expertise. You really are. But Gags, BRuby, etc. would never pile on like have started to do. So hold your head high and stay above it. Stay pure.
The posters from the past whom you hold in such high regard likely never dealt with someone who pulls the type of s-h-i-t that you do around here.
As such, it's hardly fair to suggest what they would or would not do.
Looks like we have a replay of the Cards Triple AAA thread ...same poster, same tactics, name calling, trolling, and accusing others acting as mods...and will whine and claim to be a victim.
WLTFE wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 14:49 pm
Looks like we have a replay of the Cards Triple AAA thread ...same poster, same tactics, name calling, trolling, and accusing others acting as mods...and will whine and claim to be a victim.
WLTFE wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 14:49 pm
Looks like we have a replay of the Cards Triple AAA thread ...same poster, same tactics, name calling, trolling, and accusing others acting as mods...and will whine and claim to be a victim.
Within the realm of Star Trek, they'd call this phenomenon a 'Temporal Causality Loop'.
In 1993, Columbia Pictures, Harold Ramis, and Bill Murray simply called it Groundhog Day.
WLTFE wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 14:49 pm
Looks like we have a replay of the Cards Triple AAA thread ...same poster, same tactics, name calling, trolling, and accusing others acting as mods...and will whine and claim to be a victim.
Within the realm of Star Trek, they'd call this phenomenon a 'Temporal Causality Loop'.
In 1993, Columbia Pictures, Harold Ramis, and Bill Murray simply called it Groundhog Day.
Cranny wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 10:55 am
You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.
No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.
If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.
Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.
I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.
What's the matter with you?
It's none of your business, geesh.
Most people on CT are congenial, JDW, and enjoy learning things about each other - the general area (city) where they live or grew up, where they went to high school, where they went to college, if they were in the military, the type of work they do (or did), how many games a year they go to, when they started being a Cardinal fan, etc. Nothing wrong with that at all. It’s inherent in human nature to learn about others.
it has nothing to do with baseball. It's an intimidation tactic. It's really sad. When you lose an argument, you go personal and very low with insults. Clever as you might think they are, it's really weak, but that's your modus operandi.
And when people say "You're better than that", we expect better from the guy who professes to have never been in trouble with a MOD.
Craviduce - it’s truly beneath you to troll me like that. You’re much better. People are always trying to find things in common with other people on here.
Outside of baseball. Please don’t try to deny that.
I’ve asked NY multiple times what region he is from in NY state. I went to school in the state, that’s why I have an interest. It’s a very innocent ask. And not out of line at at.
you ask Once for it to be as you said "a very innocent ask". He ignored you, so you leave it at that. Instead, you stalked him 4 or 5 more times demanding where he's from... That's creepy, trolling, harassing. It's beneath the moniker and squeaky clean image you love to trumpet. Who cares if he challenged your opinion on the internet. That's how these forums function. They don't function for you to go unchallenged. And he wasn't talking to you anyways. He was correcting/disputing something Shady was purporting.
You have whined incessantly in the past about a poster or two on here that "stalks" you... the Irony here is THICK.
Irony, Craviduce. Got it. By the way, you’re a terrific poster - when you stay within your area of expertise. You really are. But Gags, BRuby, etc. would never pile on like have started to do. So hold your head high and stay above it. Stay pure.
The posters from the past whom you hold in such high regard likely never dealt with someone who pulls the type of s-h-i-t that you do around here.
As such, it's hardly fair to suggest what they would or would not do.
I got along great with BRuby and Gags. Even bought BRuby lunch in Clayton one day. And got Gags an autographed ball from Phil Gagliano. They were great guys. Really miss them on this forum.
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense against LHP to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF? Herrera, Donavan, Wetherholt, Walker, Burleson and Saggese in the lineup does have potential. Obviously, with Contreras, Winn and Scott. Church could factor in.
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Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 14:17 pm
The posters from the past whom you hold in such high regard likely never dealt with someone who pulls the type of s-h-i-t that you do around here.
As such, it's hardly fair to suggest what they would or would not do.
I got along great with BRuby and Gags. Even bought BRuby lunch in Clayton one day. And got Gags an autographed ball from Phil Gagliano. They were great guys. Really miss them on this forum.
Sigh...if only they'd hung around long enough to get to know the antagonistic pot stirrer you've become.
Cranny wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 10:55 am
You’re the one comparing stats, with no reference to ML experience (PAs) or age.
No, I was clearly (and directly) replying to and criticizing Shady’s comparison of those three largely unrelated players based on their batting averages. I then provided the same comparison based on their overall offensive productivity, and then asked “What’s your point?” to make clear I thought the comparison itself lacked context and was pointless (I even noted how small the sample size is for Saggese). Interesting how you chose to snip all of that context out of your reply above.
If you have an issue with comparing those three particular players, why don’t (didn’t) you take it up with Shady—you know, the guy who was actually making the comparison? But no, you were perfectly fine with Shady’s post—in fact, you even replied favorably to it. Then, in the next breath, you go out of your way to try to pick an argument with me for criticizing that comparison.
Per AnExParrot’s prior comment in this thread, and for the sake of variety, maybe try actually reading posts carefully before you respond to them for a change. And because I know how exceedingly important is to you to always have the last word, I will now gladly cede the floor and end this “conversation” from my end. Find someone else to troll.
I don’t troll, NY. I just post like everyone else.
By the way, why are you so secretive about where you live in New York? Or came from in New York?
It’s bizarre why you won’t answer such a simple and innocent question.
What's the matter with you?
It's none of your business, geesh.
Most people on CT are congenial, JDW, and enjoy learning things about each other - the general area (city) where they live or grew up, where they went to high school, where they went to college, if they were in the military, the type of work they do (or did), how many games a year they go to, when they started being a Cardinal fan, etc. Nothing wrong with that at all. It’s inherent in human nature to learn about others.
it has nothing to do with baseball. It's an intimidation tactic. It's really sad. When you lose an argument, you go personal and very low with insults. Clever as you might think they are, it's really weak, but that's your modus operandi.
And when people say "You're better than that", we expect better from the guy who professes to have never been in trouble with a MOD.
Craviduce - it’s truly beneath you to troll me like that. You’re much better. People are always trying to find things in common with other people on here.
Outside of baseball. Please don’t try to deny that.
I’ve asked NY multiple times what region he is from in NY state. I went to school in the state, that’s why I have an interest. It’s a very innocent ask. And not out of line at at.
you ask Once for it to be as you said "a very innocent ask". He ignored you, so you leave it at that. Instead, you stalked him 4 or 5 more times demanding where he's from... That's creepy, trolling, harassing. It's beneath the moniker and squeaky clean image you love to trumpet. Who cares if he challenged your opinion on the internet. That's how these forums function. They don't function for you to go unchallenged. And he wasn't talking to you anyways. He was correcting/disputing something Shady was purporting.
You have whined incessantly in the past about a poster or two on here that "stalks" you... the Irony here is THICK.
Irony, Craviduce. Got it. By the way, you’re a terrific poster - when you stay within your area of expertise. You really are. But Gags, BRuby, etc. would never pile on like have started to do. So hold your head high and stay above it. Stay pure.
The posters from the past whom you hold in such high regard likely never dealt with someone who pulls the type of s-h-i-t that you do around here.
As such, it's hardly fair to suggest what they would or would not do.
I got along great with BRuby and Gags. Even bought BRuby lunch in Clayton one day. And got Gags an autographed ball from Phil Gagliano. They were great guys. Really miss them on this forum.
Tell is more about the nice things you do. Always a sign of a truly good person.
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan, Wetherholt, Walker and Burleson in the lineup. By the way, I heard, I believe on a tv report, that Herrera, eventually, wants to do some catching.
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.
He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.
Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.
You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.
Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.
He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.
Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.
You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.
Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's
Players can work to improve. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Saggese's bat and athleticism could get him some eventual starts in LF vs LHP. That's just my opinion. The radio folks on a show were pretty pumped about Saggese today.
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.
He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.
Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.
You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.
Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's
Players can work to improve. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Saggese's bat and athleticism could get him some eventual starts in LF vs LHP. That's just my opinion. The radio folks on a show were pretty pumped about Saggese today.
3 hits, he finally had a good game. 1 game doesn't make a season.
come on...seriously. I hope Herrera can do whatever he can to improve. Same with Saggese, but I'm not creating playing time built off hope....only rebellion can be built off hope.
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.
He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.
Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.
You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.
Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's
Players can work to improve. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Saggese's bat and athleticism could get him some eventual starts in LF vs LHP. That's just my opinion. The radio folks on a show were pretty pumped about Saggese today.
3 hits, he finally had a good game. 1 game doesn't make a season.
come on...seriously. I hope Herrera can do whatever he can to improve. Same with Saggese, but I'm not creating playing time built off hope....only rebellion can be built off hope.
Wait, you don't think it's perfectly sensible--prudent, even--for the Cardinals to build all their future plans around Thomas Saggese?
Shady wrote: ↑12 Aug 2025 13:25 pm
I continue to hear chatter of Saggese, possibly, getting some work next spring training in the outfield.To enhance his value of a utility type player. In the radio conversation it was opinionated that Saggese has shown more athleticism in the last couple weeks with the Cardinals.
As far as using Saggese in the outfield. I assume it would be, possibly, having him in LF in order to get his RH bat in the lineup vs LHP. Wouldn't it help the offense to catch Herrera, Burleson DH and Saggese in LF?
why are we catching Herrera? He can't throw out runners while in the 1 knee kneel crouch. It's the mandatory catching meta now. It's the reason Contreras gladly took to 1B.
So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?
People's bats will get them PA's. That's been the standard since the invention of the game.
"So again...why are we trying to return Herrera to catching?" If Saggese develops as a really productive hitter. it would open up a spot in the lineup to have Herrera catch against LHP. Also, keeping Donovan and Wetherholt in the lineup.
He's not a catcher anymore. He can't handle baserunners, and he has trouble blocking pitches.....essentially, he's slow to get out of the 1 knee crouch.
Saggese will never remove Donovan and Wetherholt....especially Wetherholt. The Pedigree of a #1 pick, #7 overall...now looking like the 1st or 2nd best player from the draft (Kurtz is probably 1A right now. That pedigree carries a lot of weight...and he's backing it up.
You don't give Saggese a position when he hasn't earned it. And you don't try to put a square peg in a round hole to create him an opportunity.
Try a different route. Herrera may want to catch, but he can't. We've been through that as a team this year. The pitcher prefer Pages ability behind the plate...not Herrera's
Players can work to improve. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that Saggese's bat and athleticism could get him some eventual starts in LF vs LHP. That's just my opinion. The radio folks on a show were pretty pumped about Saggese today.
3 hits, he finally had a good game. 1 game doesn't make a season.
come on...seriously. I hope Herrera can do whatever he can to improve. Same with Saggese, but I'm not creating playing time built off hope....only rebellion can be built off hope.
Wait, you don't think it's perfectly sensible--prudent, even--for the Cardinals to build all their future plans around Thomas Saggese?
