The biggest gamble would be staying pat

[Shady]

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

You don't seem to understand that the Dodgers are willing to pay a lot to win a World Series. Not just sneak in as a wildcard.

Funny, I wrote about that precise thing in a reply to you just yesterday. But of course you completely ignored it because you were too busy spamming the forum with additional repetitive, attention-seeking threads. You don’t care about “baseball talk,” you just want attention.

The Dodgers could very well be the team that pays handsomely (player/players traded) for Helsley.

Why? The Dodgers have one of the best FOs in baseball—certainly better and more sophisticated than the Cardinals’. Why would they agree to exchange a dollar for 50 cents?

The exploitable arbitrage with the Dodgers is that a win in LA is worth more than in St. Louis. That works to the Cardinals’ advantage, but it only goes so far. Sorry, but the Cardinals aren’t even close to getting someone like De Paula (whom you’ve mentioned several times as a target—34.1 BTV) unless they dip (deeply) into their cost-controlled assets.

By the way, you might want to check the standings—the Dodgers are in no danger of “sneaking in as a wildcard.”

"But of course you completely ignored it". I don't cater to jerkwads.

cut the hostilities....where's Elliot to put you in your place?

Don't tell me...it doesn't pertain you...that's right....only to us

OK, Guru, Your Majesty. Is that better?

we're just having the Baseball Conversation you want. Simple debate, but you're name calling and insulting .

Where's Elliott? He needs to get you under control.!!

Elliott doesn't seem to care for the craviduce goon squad tactics.

[craviduce]

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

You don't seem to understand that the Dodgers are willing to pay a lot to win a World Series. Not just sneak in as a wildcard.

Funny, I wrote about that precise thing in a reply to you just yesterday. But of course you completely ignored it because you were too busy spamming the forum with additional repetitive, attention-seeking threads. You don’t care about “baseball talk,” you just want attention.

The Dodgers could very well be the team that pays handsomely (player/players traded) for Helsley.

Why? The Dodgers have one of the best FOs in baseball—certainly better and more sophisticated than the Cardinals’. Why would they agree to exchange a dollar for 50 cents?

The exploitable arbitrage with the Dodgers is that a win in LA is worth more than in St. Louis. That works to the Cardinals’ advantage, but it only goes so far. Sorry, but the Cardinals aren’t even close to getting someone like De Paula (whom you’ve mentioned several times as a target—34.1 BTV) unless they dip (deeply) into their cost-controlled assets.

By the way, you might want to check the standings—the Dodgers are in no danger of “sneaking in as a wildcard.”

"But of course you completely ignored it". I don't cater to jerkwads.

cut the hostilities....where's Elliot to put you in your place?

Don't tell me...it doesn't pertain you...that's right....only to us

OK, Guru, Your Majesty. Is that better?

we're just having the Baseball Conversation you want. Simple debate, but you're name calling and insulting .

Where's Elliott? He needs to get you under control.!!

Elliott doesn't seem to care for the craviduce goon squad tactics.

again...more insults. I'm talking baseball like you wanted. And you turn to insults.

[Shady]

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

You don't seem to understand that the Dodgers are willing to pay a lot to win a World Series. Not just sneak in as a wildcard.

Funny, I wrote about that precise thing in a reply to you just yesterday. But of course you completely ignored it because you were too busy spamming the forum with additional repetitive, attention-seeking threads. You don’t care about “baseball talk,” you just want attention.

The Dodgers could very well be the team that pays handsomely (player/players traded) for Helsley.

Why? The Dodgers have one of the best FOs in baseball—certainly better and more sophisticated than the Cardinals’. Why would they agree to exchange a dollar for 50 cents?

The exploitable arbitrage with the Dodgers is that a win in LA is worth more than in St. Louis. That works to the Cardinals’ advantage, but it only goes so far. Sorry, but the Cardinals aren’t even close to getting someone like De Paula (whom you’ve mentioned several times as a target—34.1 BTV) unless they dip (deeply) into their cost-controlled assets.

By the way, you might want to check the standings—the Dodgers are in no danger of “sneaking in as a wildcard.”

"But of course you completely ignored it". I don't cater to jerkwads.

cut the hostilities....where's Elliot to put you in your place?

Don't tell me...it doesn't pertain you...that's right....only to us

OK, Guru, Your Majesty. Is that better?

we're just having the Baseball Conversation you want. Simple debate, but you're name calling and insulting .

Where's Elliott? He needs to get you under control.!!

Elliott doesn't seem to care for the craviduce goon squad tactics.

again...more insults. I'm talking baseball like you wanted. And you turn to insults.

In this case, at least you tried to be subtle in your's. But your fabrications, as putdown attempts, amaze me. You is a corker. lol

[craviduce]

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

You don't seem to understand that the Dodgers are willing to pay a lot to win a World Series. Not just sneak in as a wildcard.

Funny, I wrote about that precise thing in a reply to you just yesterday. But of course you completely ignored it because you were too busy spamming the forum with additional repetitive, attention-seeking threads. You don’t care about “baseball talk,” you just want attention.

The Dodgers could very well be the team that pays handsomely (player/players traded) for Helsley.

Why? The Dodgers have one of the best FOs in baseball—certainly better and more sophisticated than the Cardinals’. Why would they agree to exchange a dollar for 50 cents?

The exploitable arbitrage with the Dodgers is that a win in LA is worth more than in St. Louis. That works to the Cardinals’ advantage, but it only goes so far. Sorry, but the Cardinals aren’t even close to getting someone like De Paula (whom you’ve mentioned several times as a target—34.1 BTV) unless they dip (deeply) into their cost-controlled assets.

By the way, you might want to check the standings—the Dodgers are in no danger of “sneaking in as a wildcard.”

"But of course you completely ignored it". I don't cater to jerkwads.

cut the hostilities....where's Elliot to put you in your place?

Don't tell me...it doesn't pertain you...that's right....only to us

OK, Guru, Your Majesty. Is that better?

we're just having the Baseball Conversation you want. Simple debate, but you're name calling and insulting .

Where's Elliott? He needs to get you under control.!!

Elliott doesn't seem to care for the craviduce goon squad tactics.

again...more insults. I'm talking baseball like you wanted. And you turn to insults.

In this case, at least you tried to be subtle in your's. But your fabrications still amaze me. as put down attempts. You is a corker. lol

what fabrications?

[moose-and-squirrel]

But in reality... what teams would give you better players than the ones we'd be trading? Which team is going to take Mikolas, Pallante, and Gray and give us back better?

DBacks (Goldy) and Rockies (NADO) learns this lesson the hard way.

we didn't give them any bad major league players. Kelly was blocked by Yadi, and a former 1st round pitcher in Weaver. ..... Nado we traded Gomber, who was good in the minors, and a bunch of young wild cards like Gil, Sommers and Montero, Loney

COL took a bunch of prospects to dump salary.. we see how well that worked out for em

they took a classic McGwire or Holliday trade

yup.. which is why all this 'trade for prospects' talk can be a bit misguided. much higher chance of those prospects busting than making it, much less being very good players.
and no, you're not getting top 50 prospects for what we have to trade.. MAYBE for Donny.. prolly not tho

I'd rather get lottery ticket DSL pitchers/batters, than a veteran that we'll jettison at the end of the season...that doesn't make the team/organization better. Take a chance on the future, try to make something out of them. It likely won't work, but again, it's better than jettisoning a veteran, who can't/won't help us into the playoffs, with no compensation after the year is up

I just think folks thinking the prospects they might get will be on the '26 team are gonna be disapointed

[craviduce]

But in reality... what teams would give you better players than the ones we'd be trading? Which team is going to take Mikolas, Pallante, and Gray and give us back better?

DBacks (Goldy) and Rockies (NADO) learns this lesson the hard way.

we didn't give them any bad major league players. Kelly was blocked by Yadi, and a former 1st round pitcher in Weaver. ..... Nado we traded Gomber, who was good in the minors, and a bunch of young wild cards like Gil, Sommers and Montero, Loney

COL took a bunch of prospects to dump salary.. we see how well that worked out for em

they took a classic McGwire or Holliday trade

yup.. which is why all this 'trade for prospects' talk can be a bit misguided. much higher chance of those prospects busting than making it, much less being very good players.
and no, you're not getting top 50 prospects for what we have to trade.. MAYBE for Donny.. prolly not tho

I'd rather get lottery ticket DSL pitchers/batters, than a veteran that we'll jettison at the end of the season...that doesn't make the team/organization better. Take a chance on the future, try to make something out of them. It likely won't work, but again, it's better than jettisoning a veteran, who can't/won't help us into the playoffs, with no compensation after the year is up

I just think folks thinking the prospects they might get will be on the '26 team are gonna be disapointed

no way we get AAA prospects...unless we give a package with Gray/Romero/Donnie or Burleson...players with contracts/control

[craviduce]

But in reality... what teams would give you better players than the ones we'd be trading? Which team is going to take Mikolas, Pallante, and Gray and give us back better?

DBacks (Goldy) and Rockies (NADO) learns this lesson the hard way.

we didn't give them any bad major league players. Kelly was blocked by Yadi, and a former 1st round pitcher in Weaver. ..... Nado we traded Gomber, who was good in the minors, and a bunch of young wild cards like Gil, Sommers and Montero, Loney

COL took a bunch of prospects to dump salary.. we see how well that worked out for em

they took a classic McGwire or Holliday trade

yup.. which is why all this 'trade for prospects' talk can be a bit misguided. much higher chance of those prospects busting than making it, much less being very good players.
and no, you're not getting top 50 prospects for what we have to trade.. MAYBE for Donny.. prolly not tho

I'd rather get lottery ticket DSL pitchers/batters, than a veteran that we'll jettison at the end of the season...that doesn't make the team/organization better. Take a chance on the future, try to make something out of them. It likely won't work, but again, it's better than jettisoning a veteran, who can't/won't help us into the playoffs, with no compensation after the year is up

I just think folks thinking the prospects they might get will be on the '26 team are gonna be disapointed

there is some hope...Seattle gave up two players in their Top 20 prospects....normally that's nothing to get excited about, but the Mariner's farm is the most stacked farm that I've ever seen....even more stacked than the Cards were in 2012-2013....they have 9 players in the Top 100. The two players they gave up in a trade this week would be in our Top 10.

A precedent has been set on trades this deadline...we may be able to get better than we originally thought

[rockondlouie]

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

You don't seem to understand that the Dodgers are willing to pay a lot to win a World Series. Not just sneak in as a wildcard.

Funny, I wrote about that precise thing in a reply to you just yesterday. But of course you completely ignored it because you were too busy spamming the forum with additional repetitive, attention-seeking threads. You don’t care about “baseball talk,” you just want attention.

The Dodgers could very well be the team that pays handsomely (player/players traded) for Helsley.

Why? The Dodgers have one of the best FOs in baseball—certainly better and more sophisticated than the Cardinals’. Why would they agree to exchange a dollar for 50 cents?

The exploitable arbitrage with the Dodgers is that a win in LA is worth more than in St. Louis. That works to the Cardinals’ advantage, but it only goes so far. Sorry, but the Cardinals aren’t even close to getting someone like De Paula (whom you’ve mentioned several times as a target—34.1 BTV) unless they dip (deeply) into their cost-controlled assets.

By the way, you might want to check the standings—the Dodgers are in no danger of “sneaking in as a wildcard.”

"But of course you completely ignored it". I don't cater to jerkwads.

cut the hostilities....where's Elliot to put you in your place?

Don't tell me...it doesn't pertain you...that's right....only to us

OK, Guru, Your Majesty. Is that better?

we're just having the Baseball Conversation you want. Simple debate, but you're name calling and insulting .

Where's Elliott? He needs to get you under control.!!

Elliott doesn't seem to care for the craviduce goon squad tactics.

again...more insults. I'm talking baseball like you wanted. And you turn to insults.

In this case, at least you tried to be subtle in your's. But your fabrications still amaze me. as put down attempts. You is a corker. lol

what fabrications?

What's a "corker"?

Sammy Sosa was a corker, so was Albert Belle.

Is that what you're calling duce, a Sosa or a Belle?

[Shady]

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

You don't seem to understand that the Dodgers are willing to pay a lot to win a World Series. Not just sneak in as a wildcard.

Funny, I wrote about that precise thing in a reply to you just yesterday. But of course you completely ignored it because you were too busy spamming the forum with additional repetitive, attention-seeking threads. You don’t care about “baseball talk,” you just want attention.

The Dodgers could very well be the team that pays handsomely (player/players traded) for Helsley.

Why? The Dodgers have one of the best FOs in baseball—certainly better and more sophisticated than the Cardinals’. Why would they agree to exchange a dollar for 50 cents?

The exploitable arbitrage with the Dodgers is that a win in LA is worth more than in St. Louis. That works to the Cardinals’ advantage, but it only goes so far. Sorry, but the Cardinals aren’t even close to getting someone like De Paula (whom you’ve mentioned several times as a target—34.1 BTV) unless they dip (deeply) into their cost-controlled assets.

By the way, you might want to check the standings—the Dodgers are in no danger of “sneaking in as a wildcard.”

"But of course you completely ignored it". I don't cater to jerkwads.

cut the hostilities....where's Elliot to put you in your place?

Don't tell me...it doesn't pertain you...that's right....only to us

OK, Guru, Your Majesty. Is that better?

we're just having the Baseball Conversation you want. Simple debate, but you're name calling and insulting .

Where's Elliott? He needs to get you under control.!!

Elliott doesn't seem to care for the craviduce goon squad tactics.

again...more insults. I'm talking baseball like you wanted. And you turn to insults.

In this case, at least you tried to be subtle in your's. But your fabrications still amaze me. as put down attempts. You is a corker. lol

what fabrications?

What's a "corker"?

Sammy Sosa was a corker, so was Albert Belle.

Is that what you're calling duce, a Sosa or a Belle?

It's a colloquialism, I guess.

[JuanAgosto]

Trading expiring contracts to fill holes. Obtain a RH bat or pitching.

Bingo. And getting some salary relief by maneuvering some NTCs. In Arenado's case, opening up a needed position.

I don't see them moving Arenado at the deadline. Slim chance over the winter. But I was focusing what could happen this week.

[82birds]

With dubious starting pitching, inconsistent offense and some potential FAs.

Ideally, the Cardinals do some selling and still stay competitive for a wildcard this season. It could be done with some savvy maneuvering.

wouldn't you have to have a savvy maneuverer to do savvy maneuvering?

[cardstatman]

If the Dodgers finish as the division winner with the 3rd best record, that is the same as being a wild card.

61-42 MIL
61-43 LAD
60-43 CHC
60-44 NYM
60-44 PHI

Presently, they are barely hanging on to one of the top 2 spots.

One other team will join the 5 above as the last WC team.
55-49 SDP
54-50 CIN
54-50 SFG
54-51 STL

If the Cards finish a sweep of the Padres, they still will only have around a 25% of getting a wild card spot.

Assuming all 12 playoff teams have an equal shot at getting hot in October (which isn't true but they all do have a shot), the Cards are looking at about 1 in 64 shot.

That's a pretty long shot to make.

[slappipappi]

Our current run differential is 0.

For example , the Reds are +44. Without their best pitcher who is expected back.

We should be selling, not buying.

[AnExParrot]

You're not trading to compete today, you're trading to possibly compete in a year, or probably two.

Trading to compete today would cost you precious farm pieces that we can't afford to lose right now.

Agree. But savvy maneuvering could still keep the team in contention for a wildcard this season.

playing better can get the team in contention of a WC . Winn and Contreras need help. They're not getting it.

in order to get better you have to trade the bad with Farm Prospects.

That's a dumb move for a team trying to rebuild. Leaving Bloom a cluster frick isn't in the Cards

Shady’s recurring “theory” (articulated in countless repetitive threads) is the Dodgers—who have one of the best FOs in baseball—are somehow champing at the bit to trade a dollar for 50 cents.

at least he's not clamoring for Biles, Biels, Beils, Blies, Bleis from the Red Sox...I don't think I could take another one of those trading Nado for 2 of the Red Sox top 10. Or the pitchers that didn't exist with the Yankees.

Be nice, Guru. We all are aware that you are CT Majesty.

Pointing out only a couple of your many, many mistakes is quite generous, i.e. nice. You've got thinner skin that an over-ripe grape.

[Carp4Cy]

With dubious starting pitching, inconsistent offense and some potential FAs.

Ideally, the Cardinals do some selling and still stay competitive for a wildcard this season. It could be done with some savvy maneuvering.

please, explain this "savvy maneuvering"

I'm intrigued

Trading potential free agents for something that will not only plug in some holes this season but help for the future. As well as maneuvering some NTCs. Which could be tough.

in theory...yeah, sure. But in reality... what teams would give you better players than the ones we'd be trading? Which team is going to take Mikolas, Pallante, and Gray and give us back better?

Different trades. Take on a Bryan Reynolds for cash and hope he starts to rebound with a change of scenery.