GDT : MLB Draft (7/13-14) ~ 5:00pm CDT

[Melville]

Try this again.... NEW POLL

https://poll-maker.com/poll5534415x0FCAC17b-164 If Anderson, Doyle, Hernandez, and Holliday are gone, who do you want at #5?

It be difficult to be too disappointed at least this year.
Rationale to each choice.

Pitcher vs hitter. IF the pitchers left are seen as a #3 or less
I'd go hitter, Irish, Willits, or Parker.
I've yet to vote

Everything I have read and heard indicates at the college level this is a very good year for pitching prospects and a below average year for hitters
Because the college hitter crop is viewed as thin, the high school position players are getting more hype than they should.
If STL has the opportunity to select one of the top 3 college pitchers, rather than a college bat or HS lottery guess, that is the smartest play.
No guarantees in any draft, but strategically that is the soundest decision

for top end? It's not a very good year. For 20-60 in the draft, it's a very good year .

Anderson, Doyle, and Arnold wouldn't go in the top 15 last year....probably not Top 25 for 2 of them. SMith and Burns were very good, and Clinjeje and Yesavage were very good.....those 4 beat all 3 of the top LHP this year.

But we are talking the 5 pick.
Not 30 or 40.
If one of the top 3 starting pitchers (college) is on the board, that is the best option for where the organization is at right now.
They need to restock the rotation and waiting 5 or 6 years for a HS kid - position or pitcher- with huge risks, simply makes no sense.
As you say, the team can look later in the draft for a college bat - that opportunity will be there.
There is no logical basis for skipping over a top 3 college starter
That said, I know we agree that all first round picks are pure projection and none are guaranteed.
As I recall, some high school 3B named Walker was considered the best power hitting draft prospect in the entire draft a few years back ...

Cardinals saw it the same way I did.

[cardinalsfever44]

he was the #8 ranked prospect, and cardinals chose closer to being ready bullpen arm over talented HS kid.

Talented HS pitcher will not be seen for 4-5 years or so, if ever at all. Those guys are huge gambles.

[2ninr]

CC 2. We hope.

[82birds]

1-8
Blue Jays

Jo Jo Parker

[Melville]

Try this again.... NEW POLL

https://poll-maker.com/poll5534415x0FCAC17b-164 If Anderson, Doyle, Hernandez, and Holliday are gone, who do you want at #5?

It be difficult to be too disappointed at least this year.
Rationale to each choice.

Pitcher vs hitter. IF the pitchers left are seen as a #3 or less
I'd go hitter, Irish, Willits, or Parker.
I've yet to vote

Everything I have read and heard indicates at the college level this is a very good year for pitching prospects and a below average year for hitters
Because the college hitter crop is viewed as thin, the high school position players are getting more hype than they should.
If STL has the opportunity to select one of the top 3 college pitchers, rather than a college bat or HS lottery guess, that is the smartest play.
No guarantees in any draft, but strategically that is the soundest decision

Of course you are not any more wrong in
the attempt to predict the future.

To me you project each player. If it’s a pitcher and you are picking this high that individual pitcher should project as a #1 or #2 otherwise how much superior is that over what may be there in round 2?

If the Cards don't see a 1 or 2 left when they pick at #5
my hope would be for the best bat. I fully understand and appreciate that #3-#5 are needed too.

They did the most logical and strategic thing.

[Tahoe41]

Im ok with Doyle, I'd rather have a power college pitcher than a high school SS. But the Cardinals desperately need an impact hitting prospect. Hopefully they draft one with one of the next couple of picks.

[Cusecards]

Yall are ridiculous.

LMAO
The comments I’m reading from the “experts” on CT should forever be preserved in a time capsule for future generations!

Exactly. He will be a great starter for us and may be ready to debut next year. Imagine if him and Wetherholt debut in the same year.

He may....or he may not?
Every draft there are surprises as to who makes it and who doesn’t!
This place cracks me up. LOL

[Aday96]

Doyle has the higher ceiling than Arnold, but also lower floor with the bullpen potential. I honestly don't mind the gamble as the cards have been missing an ace and have a ton of 3-4 guys.

I bet the reds take Arnold here so we will see how it plays out between the two.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

How many picks tonight?

we have 4....3 rounds

Thanks. Better break out the sipping whiskey.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

he was the #8 ranked prospect, and cardinals chose closer to being ready bullpen arm over talented HS kid.

Talented HS pitcher will not be seen for 4-5 years or so, if ever at all. Those guys are huge gambles.

So are college pitchers, w/o the talent like skenes

He has a fastball, which MLB hitters can take to pigeon forge, his other pitches are c to c-. He better learn another pitch quickly

[ClassicO]

Try this again.... NEW POLL

https://poll-maker.com/poll5534415x0FCAC17b-164 If Anderson, Doyle, Hernandez, and Holliday are gone, who do you want at #5?

It be difficult to be too disappointed at least this year.
Rationale to each choice.

Pitcher vs hitter. IF the pitchers left are seen as a #3 or less
I'd go hitter, Irish, Willits, or Parker.
I've yet to vote

Everything I have read and heard indicates at the college level this is a very good year for pitching prospects and a below average year for hitters
Because the college hitter crop is viewed as thin, the high school position players are getting more hype than they should.
If STL has the opportunity to select one of the top 3 college pitchers, rather than a college bat or HS lottery guess, that is the smartest play.
No guarantees in any draft, but strategically that is the soundest decision

for top end? It's not a very good year. For 20-60 in the draft, it's a very good year .

Anderson, Doyle, and Arnold wouldn't go in the top 15 last year....probably not Top 25 for 2 of them. SMith and Burns were very good, and Clinjeje and Yesavage were very good.....those 4 beat all 3 of the top LHP this year.

But we are talking the 5 pick.
Not 30 or 40.
If one of the top 3 starting pitchers (college) is on the board, that is the best option for where the organization is at right now.
They need to restock the rotation and waiting 5 or 6 years for a HS kid - position or pitcher- with huge risks, simply makes no sense.
As you say, the team can look later in the draft for a college bat - that opportunity will be there.
There is no logical basis for skipping over a top 3 college starter
That said, I know we agree that all first round picks are pure projection and none are guaranteed.
As I recall, some high school 3B named Walker was considered the best power hitting draft prospect in the entire draft a few years back ...

Cardinals saw it the same way I did.

It wasn’t Rocket Science.

[OohMau]

Doyle was the eighth-ranked prospect in the draft according to Baseball America, but boasts a 70-grade fastball that sits in the 95-97MPH range and gets to 100 MPH with excellent ride. He has a 50-grade slider, 55-grade changeup, and 50-grade cutter with developing control. His 42.6% strikeout rate was the best mark in all of Division 1 baseball this year.

[AntillesHS]

It looks like MO had his hands are all over the Doyle selection, same old Cardinals. They better get some bats with their remaining Day 1 picks or rebuild will be more than 2-3 years. We'll be competing with the Pirates for the race to the cellar for the next 5 years.

Hernandez should have been pick.

[imetsatchelpaige]

I wonder if the cardinals drafted this kid with the intention of throwing him in the bullpen this year?

A few analysts on ESPN said this is the one kid who could be MLB ready immediately

[cardini99]

Steele Hall wow…wonder how far Arnold drops?

[82birds]

1-9
Reds

Steele Hall