Buying The Cardinals Way Back To The WS

[sikeston bulldog2]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

[desertrat23]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

Then why did they (by their own admission) abandon it?

[Cranny]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

[sikeston bulldog2]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects- your words.

My words. You don’t trade top tier developed studs. They are exactly what you have a farm for. And if you do trade one of your young studs it’s for a big trade.

Guys that are getting expensive are no longer prospects. Guys nearing arbitration are no longer prospects.

[Goldfan]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

Sure by all means go make those trades for established known MLB quality. The illusion that Cards prospects will turn into allstars is a myth and it’s mostly been a myth for a very long time. Signing that player though isn’t in bag like 15yrs ago. The organization has lost the winning great org cache and BDW is cheap

[Cranny]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects- your words.

My words. You don’t trade top tier developed studs. They are exactly what you have a farm for. And if you do trade one of your young studs it’s for a big trade.

Guys that are getting expensive are no longer prospects. Guys nearing arbitration are no longer prospects.

Let me clarify. low budget teams want to trade two types of players

1.) Expensive players who have been around for awhile, where they have too much invested in one player - like a Holliday, Arenado, etc.
2.) Younger players who are going to get expensive - just coming into (or already into) arbitration years. Within a year or two of getting VERY expensive.

Also, in the Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades, who were the top rated studs that we traded? Not one of those guys was a "top rated stud" at the time of the trade.

[sikeston bulldog2]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects- your words.

My words. You don’t trade top tier developed studs. They are exactly what you have a farm for. And if you do trade one of your young studs it’s for a big trade.

Guys that are getting expensive are no longer prospects. Guys nearing arbitration are no longer prospects.

Let me clarify. low budget teams want to trade two types of players

1.) Expensive players who have been around for awhile, where they have too much invested in one player - like a Holliday, Arenado, etc.
2.) Younger players who are going to get expensive - just coming into (or already into) arbitration years. Within a year or two of getting VERY expensive.

Also, in the Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades, who were the top rated studs that we traded? Not one of those guys was a "top rated stud" at the time of the trade.

There were no too rated studs, that’s my point. We keep them.

Sure teams trade those type players. Other teams know this too.

[Cranny]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects- your words.

My words. You don’t trade top tier developed studs. They are exactly what you have a farm for. And if you do trade one of your young studs it’s for a big trade.

Guys that are getting expensive are no longer prospects. Guys nearing arbitration are no longer prospects.

Let me clarify. low budget teams want to trade two types of players

1.) Expensive players who have been around for awhile, where they have too much invested in one player - like a Holliday, Arenado, etc.
2.) Younger players who are going to get expensive - just coming into (or already into) arbitration years. Within a year or two of getting VERY expensive.

Also, in the Holliday, Ozuna, Goldy, and Arenado trades, who were the top rated studs that we traded? Not one of those guys was a "top rated stud" at the time of the trade.

There were no too rated studs, that’s my point. We keep them.

Sure teams trade those type players. Other teams know this too.

Sure, but some teams would rather pay the big FA bucks and not give up prospects.

[renostl]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

I do not think that it is entirely exclusive to Low budget teams. Most if not all teams do have a budget.
Tucker, Bregman, Alonso are recent examples. Atlanta and Arizona could sell during this deadline.

[Cranny]

So essentially where they’ve always been in the payroll picking order, only difference now is that the infrastructure was left to rot and who knows if it will ever be what it was. You ad Luhnow with TLR/Dunc…..that’s a world class management team….BDW/MO thought they could do just as good WHILE
BDW went cheap on the farm….and Cranny cries that STL can’t compete with NY and LA payroll…..IT NEVER DID!!!
Cranny stop your lying propaganda. The reason the Cardinals are in the spot they are is IDIOT running the organization
Can you honestly compare TLR/Dunc to Oli/Dusty ???? Who did that??? BDW
BDW admitted they went cheap with their development system….WHO DID THAT??? BDW

Perhaps, but now they seem to be getting back on track with the developmental system. One thing that folks seem ask for, though, that is not going to happen - is huge long term contracts for free agents. BDW likes to rent and try on before buying, as I've heard him say multiple times.

Has BDW been able to admit that the way the team found success two decades ago may be a bit stale?

It's not stale at all. Develop good prospects and trade them as necessary to fill holes. Stay away from huge long term FA contracts that put too many eggs into one basket. Sign older free agents as necessary to short term contracts. It's the only way to do it with a smaller budget than many teams.

If you develop a good prospect, wouldn’t it be cheaper to fill the holes with that cost controlled stud. Why trade him?

Then, no where in your model does it talk about trying to outs to see if we like you. Which part in your above address that. The chemistry clause.

And signing aging free agents is as tricky as long term to youngsters.

The Cardinals got Holliday for Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortonsen, and Shane Peterson
The Cardinals got Ozuna for Sandy Alcantara, Magneuris Sierra, Zac Gallen, and Daniel Castano
The Cardinals got Goldy for Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a CB Round B pick
The Cardinals got Arenado for Austin Gomber, Mateo Gil, Toney Locey, Elehuris Montero, and Jake Sommers

Lower budget teams are willing to trade payroll cost for prospects. Look to the lower payroll teams right now and see
top talent guys that are getting expensive toward the end of their contracts or younger players through arbitration, etc.
That's where the action is, and probably where the Cardinals are looking.

I do not think that it is entirely exclusive to Low budget teams. Most if not all teams do have a budget.
Tucker, Bregman, Alonso are recent examples. Atlanta and Arizona could sell during this deadline.

Very true.